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   anna (navi@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:15 JST anna

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   • Amber
   @puppygirlhornypost2 @julia @lizzy
   
   cargo is the worst part of rust, and what pushed me away. packaging is hell, vendoring is everywhere, including vendoring of c libraries with no standard way to tell it to link against system libs (good luck going into build.rs and figuring out what this specific project chose to do) -- not to touch on how bad of an idea build.rs is into itself
   
   and there's the npm effect, or the whole "async-runtime lockin", and so on
   
   language-specific package managers are just a bad idea.
   
   compare that with meson that not only natively supports both system and vendored (wrap-based cargo-like "download and build") dependencies, but it defaults to system ones unless you tell it not to, or the dependency is not on the system
   
   meson also seamlessly work with C, C++, D, Fortran, Java, Rust-- so you can have a rust project in meson using c and c++ dependencies with nothing more than just `somec_dep = dependency('somec')`
   
   that's how you make a good build system, by making it *build* things, not just a single specific language with crappy ways to integrate anything else
   
   -- rust, great language, awful ecosystem
   
   (p.s. this doesn't consider dynamic linking before anyone brings it up, you can have non-vendored statically-linked dependencies, and while not perfect, it's leagues better for packaging than vendoring stuff)
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     Amber (puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:16 JST Amber

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     • akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

     @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev @julia@eepy.moe cargo interests me somewhat but the lack of binary builds is a turn off. I also don’t really think that matters in the grand scheme (having a system like cargo vs not… cmake, meson, autotools etc are all um their own can of worms). At least rust actually has a community where people can improve the language (the committee is notoriously bad yea for C++)

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     Amber (puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:17 JST Amber

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     @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev @julia@eepy.moe Primarily though constexpr is something that’s hyped up (I don’t really use it though). Sorry for the "use c++" thing that was not meant to be a childish thing. There are a lot of reasons to stay clear of C++ (I have pain with buildsystems)

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     Amber (puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:18 JST Amber

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     @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev @julia@eepy.moe I mean languages are fun. Rust is a tool and so is C++, I find it interesting rust’s macros in comparison to C++‘s template metaprogramming

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:19 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     • Amber
     @puppygirlhornypost2 @julia like why is it literally not possible to have a conversation comparing language features without this. kinda not fun this way
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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:20 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @puppygirlhornypost2 @julia can you stop being childish
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     Amber (puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:21 JST Amber

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     • akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

     @julia@eepy.moe @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev become a c++ developer it’s fun here

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     Julia :v_trans: :v_bi: (not cute) (julia@eepy.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:22 JST Julia :v_trans: :v_bi: (not cute)

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     @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev @puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social well would be comparable if rusts const was finished but thats a different story

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     akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt) (lizzy@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:23 JST akkoma flavored lizzy (fleckenstein@lizzy.rs alt)

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     @puppygirlhornypost2 @julia c++ constexpr is comparable to const in rust
     
     c++ const is basically just "not mut" in rust (the default)
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     Julia :v_trans: :v_bi: (not cute) (julia@eepy.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:24 JST Julia :v_trans: :v_bi: (not cute)

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     @puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social C++ const is worse than Rust's shitty half finished const

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     Amber (puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:24 JST Amber

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     @julia@eepy.moe I said constexpr, completely different from const.

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     Amber (puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:25 JST Amber

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     @julia@eepy.moe what about constexpr

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     Julia :v_trans: :v_bi: (not cute) (julia@eepy.moe)'s status on Tuesday, 29-Oct-2024 09:30:26 JST Julia :v_trans: :v_bi: (not cute)

     I look forward to the day that Rust has solid const support