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   cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:22:17 JST cjd
   Circumcision is a contentious and slightly taboo topic - as such, there is a lot of superstition and bad information out there.
   
   Most people either know nothing, or have strong opinions.
   
   Most men are pre-disposed to prefer everyone be like them. Most doctors are pre-disposed to prefer whatever makes them the most money.
   
   If you search "Should I circumcise my son" on google, you will think there's a Scientific Consensus that it's beneficial.
   
   But if you seek out anti-circumcision material, you will think it's one of the most heinous and barbaric practices ever to have beset the human race.
   
   The reality is that the health benefits are minuscule at best, and the harm described in the anti-circumcision community is often overblown or lacking in concrete evidence.
   
   It should be immediately obvious that most cut men live normal fulfilling lives. It should also be obvious that being uncut does not carry any real health risks because otherwise these problems would be well known in Europe, where circumcision is near nonexistent.
   
   My personal opinion is that none of the perceived benefits outweigh the risk of complications from surgery (doctor slips with the knife). This type of thing happens with a non-trivial regularity, and the result are life-altering and sometimes deadly.
   
   Is there anyone here who is planning to become parents and is faced with this question?
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:22:13 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @cjd circumcision is like eating raw eggs, some countries say it’s the worst things ever, other countries think it’s just normal. My take would be, don’t do unnecessary surgery and don’t worry overly much about salmonella, but that’s just me
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:22:14 JST cjd

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     Anti-circumcision mythology:
     
     Perhaps the most pervasive anti-circumcision myth is that the sex is worse. This seems to be entirely a matter of personal preference.
     
     Some women have indicated that cut men fuck more violently, so the sex is more painful, but others say they prefer the aesthetic of the cut penis. There doesn't seem to be any universal preference, and I find it highly unlikely that foreskin status ever broke an otherwise healthy relationship.
     
     Among men who have gotten circumcised in adulthood, some are happy with the result and others are not. There was one case in which the man was so distraught that he ended up killing himself, but this man did very little research beforehand and basically just took the advice of a urologist without thinking. Those who do more research in advance seem to be more happy with the result.
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:22:15 JST cjd

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     Circumcision and hygiene:
     
     If you have a foreskin, you retract it and wash under it, end of story.
     
     Using soap is fine, you just need to be sure that all of it is washed away before rolling the foreskin forward - otherwise some will tend to be pushed into the urethra which is painful.
     
     The foreskin doesn't have any magical properties that make it dirty more easily than say, an armpit. It is actually quite a bit LESS prone to smelling than either armpits or ball sack.
     
     If you're an uncut male who doesn't shower for a period of time, you begin smelling from everywhere BUT the penis.
     
     > What about babies?
     
     A baby's foreskin is attached to the penis head (like glue). That keeps out all foreign matter (like diaper shit). As a parent, you have absolutely nothing to do. Some doctors may suggest forcibly retracting it, this is a terrible idea for reasons that should be obvious.
     
     Some time around 6-8 years old, it will naturally detach. At this point your boy should already be able to at least partially wash himself, and you only have to instruct him to try to pull it back - if it hurts, that means it's not detached yet and he should try again later. Once he is able to do retract it, he can then begin washing it. Once he realizes it is pleasurable, there will never again be a concern for hygiene.
     
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     If you are dogmatically opposed to masturbation, this is one of few cases where circumcision actually serves a purpose. Firstly, there is never any need for your son to wash his penis so he can pretend it doesn't exist. Secondly, when he does discover masturbation, it is somewhat harder to do without a foreskin.
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:22:16 JST cjd

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     On the "health benefits" of circumcision:
     
     > It reduces the spread of HIV
     
     This is kind of like when cheerios sponsors a study to prove that cheerios are good for your heart. It's very under-handed.
     
     The claim is that less mucus membrane, that is allowed to dry out, is less absorptive. Which is not wrong, but it's also not that effective. Whereas a condom is perfectly effective.
     
     The second reason why this is under-handed is because spreading HIV is REALLY HARD. In the worst case scenario (a man with HIV ejaculates inside of you), your risk of catching it is 1 in 20. Any sexual contact less than that, the risk is even lower.
     
     And that's just for one person to contract it, for it to actively spread through a community, the amount of promiscuity needs to be so high that circumcision is just not going to change the outcome.
     
     > It reduces the risk of penile cancer
     
     Well, not really. It eliminates the possibility of a condition called phimosis, which is a risk driver for penile cancer.
     
     Phimosis is a condition where the foreskin remains too tight to retract into adulthood. This is a relatively rare condition and is addressable in a number of different ways including steroid creams, stretching, minor surgical interventions - and of course adult circumcision.
     
     Men with phimosis SHOULD get it treated, but it's rare and not that hard to deal with. There are so many other "rare and not that hard to deal with" conditions out there, that singling out phimosis as the one you want to prevent doesn't really make any sense.
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     I am Water (slicerdicer@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:26:18 JST I am Water

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     @lain @cjd Eating bull nuts however is just nasty
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:26:23 JST Sick Sun

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     @cjd what would you tell your son if he was one of the many children every year that had a botched, unnecessary operation
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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:26:30 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     • I am Water
     @SlicerDicer @cjd that’s just like, your opinion, man
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     TheBigLoder (thebigloder@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:38:57 JST TheBigLoder

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     @cjd times may be changing. Always found it odd the circumcision rate of non-Jewish Americans.

     Have baby, cut a piece of their dick off, and give them a vaxx for a disease spread by whores and drug users. Do not question this.

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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:38:57 JST cjd

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     I believe the percentage will continue to drop and there is no way it can increase.
     
     If the father is uncut, the son will be uncut.
     If the mother is anti-circumcision, the son will be uncut.
     
     Therefore the "Intolerant Minority" will eventually push circumcision into the margins.
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:38:58 JST cjd

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     MOST Jews do not use the sucking blood ritual.
     
     Some Jews even opt out of circumcising their boys entirely. This is of course frowned on by the Jewish establishment, but it occurs nonetheless.
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     TheBigLoder (thebigloder@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 05:38:59 JST TheBigLoder

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     @cjd

     I love having this conversation with unsuspecting new friends. Show them a few videos of Jewish mohels sucking that blood then watch the meltdown.

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     on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ (lain@lain.com)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 06:21:28 JST on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

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     @cjd doesn’t seem to have worked in the USA
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 06:21:29 JST cjd

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     • on-lain ✔ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ
     I think cultures which are strongly pro-circumcision are actually anti-masturbation.
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     cjd (cjd@pkteerium.xyz)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 11:17:24 JST cjd

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     If you read my post to the end, that risk is the biggest reason why I would advise against ever doing it.
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     Sick Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 25-Oct-2024 11:17:34 JST Sick Sun

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     @cjd sorry, got lazy