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   tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Oct-2024 12:27:05 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
   https://lwn.net/Articles/995186/
   
   So, the Linux Foundation joins the racist list?
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 01:51:07 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     @monsieuricon In this case, the apparent fact is that Russian-identified people are removed from maintainers without proper justification. The apparent conclusion is that they are removed solely because of their identity, which in this case is their ethnic identity.
     
     Moreover, many "sanctions" by the government are racist in nature. Take for example how eager the US government is into blocking TikTok or Huawei, claiming that they "steal personal information," while Google and Apple, which are doing exactly the same things, are not into the debate, solely because the former are from China, while the latter are from the US.
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     K. Ryabitsev ???? (monsieuricon@social.kernel.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 01:51:08 JST K. Ryabitsev ????

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     @tusooa You seem to be a troll. Explain how this is racist, or I will ban you.
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 01:51:09 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     @monsieuricon Do you consider it ethical for the Linux Foundation to comply with governmental orders like this that are racist in nature?
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     K. Ryabitsev ???? (monsieuricon@social.kernel.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 01:51:10 JST K. Ryabitsev ????

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     @tusooa "If you work for companies under direct US or EU sanctions, you are going to have a bad time."
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 01:51:11 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     @monsieuricon Please comment.
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     K. Ryabitsev ???? (monsieuricon@social.kernel.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 02:29:53 JST K. Ryabitsev ????

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     @tusooa Heh, you're trying to convince a "Russian identified person" in one of the senior positions in the Linux Foundation that the Linux Foundation is being unfair towards "Russian identified people." It's pretty hilarious.
     
     I'm not a lawyer and I don't speak for the LF, so I won't give you any kind of "official comment." But here's my view of it.
     
     The people removed from maintainer positions were identified as employed by companies on the US and EU sanctions list. These companies are directly involved in the Russian military complex and therefore are directly complicit in war crimes being committed daily in Ukraine. If these maintainers want to think that they are "just techies helping improve the Linux kernel," or that "they are outside of politics," then they are fucking wrong. If they work for companies that develop weaponry or logistics used by the Russian military, they are complicit in Russia's war crimes, and I hold them responsible at a very personal level -- and that's my official comment on the situation.
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 02:30:28 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     >These companies are directly involved in the Russian military complex and therefore are directly complicit in war crimes being committed daily in Ukraine.
     
     If this is the case, it makes some sense. However, there is only vague reasoning in the commits, so the general public do not and cannot know about this. Being untransparent about why these changes take place will only lead people to think that it is unjustified.
     
     Moreover, if war crime is a reason to not let people be added into the maintainers list of the Linux kernel, will it apply to all war crimes? Do you think Linux Foundation SHOULD also be committed to checking the list for any potential violation because of war crimes that is happening elsewhere, for example, the ones committed by the Israel government in Gaza? Do you think that it would be unethical if the Linux Foundation does NOT do that check for other war crimes?
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     Paul Barker (pbarker@social.afront.org)'s status on Thursday, 24-Oct-2024 04:16:59 JST Paul Barker

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     @monsieuricon @tusooa "The people removed from maintainer positions were identified as employed by companies on the US and EU sanctions list."

     My only wish is that this was clearly stated as part of the removal. I think more people would be behind the change if it was clearly justified in that way. Because fuck Putin and anyone who supports him.

     I think the vague statement in the commit message has made this much more controversial than it should have been. I guess there are reasons for that though.

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