Aral Balkan
@benfell I get that but what is voting for Trump going to achieve (either directly or via Jill Stein, etc., going to achieve except also making sure more women, trans folks, etc., suffer?)
Voting is not going to fix the issue – as I see it, only mass civil disobedience might – but it will lessen the suffering of some folks if not everyone.
I’m the last person to defend Biden/Harris but I will defend minorities who will bear the brunt of a Trump win.
Aral Balkan
@spujb @benfell @drrjv @oerum The people getting the kick will be the most vulnerable.
Spujb
@aral
Maybe a Trump election is the kick in the pants that people need.
@benfell @drrjv @oerum
Aral Balkan
@ViXY_DBC Are you saying Trump is going to bring peace to the world? That Palestinians are going to be better off under Trump?
I’m not saying vote and sit on your ass for four years before you vote again. I’m saying vote and then shut the whole damn thing down until things change. Chances of that happening: probably very low. Because, yeah, folk are likely just going to vote and then pat themselves on the back until next time (if there is one).
ViXY_DBC
@aral @benfell @drrjv @spujb @oerum @israel @palestine
I will borrow DNC's talking point:
Its lesser of two evils.
You can choose to protect millions of minorities, trans folks in the US from "suffering", even though most of them survived 4 years of trump fine last round.
OR
You can choose to protect billions of people from the white empire's endless wars and destruction. And you know 200,000 Palestinians did not, in fact, survive the 4 year of Biden.
Your call.
happymilk
@aral @benfell Voting for a third party candidate will help set a precedent for future elections. If any third party gets even as close to the second place, voters will think: "hey! Maybe we CAN vote our way out of the two-party system!", and members of both parties will think: "uh-oh! Our power isn't granted, and we're in danger of losing it!" Which _could_ pressure them to actually enact some popular policies.
Aral Balkan
@happymilk @benfell What future elections?
Your Conscience
You're nothing but an empire-genocide apologist. Why aren't people shutting it down now? Why wait? You know that's bullshit!!
The Dems had the votes in the Senate to stop #Trump from ever running, using Sec.3, 14th amendment (yes, they sure as hell did). This election is bogus --by design. Dems just thought it'd be easier to run against him, but they're such worthless shit they're still losing. And they deserve to !! The Democrats stand for absolutely NOTHING, except imperialist war mongering. Sorry, but some ppl on this thread even think the war in Ukraine is about "democracy" and quote, unquote, Russian aggression🤡🤡🤣🤣
All this fear mongering about Trump is also bogus. He cant logistically do the things you're talking about w/o destroying the economy. Take deporting 11 million immigrants; who's going to pick & process the food for you shitlibs? Or build your homes? Or take, he's going to round up queer folk into concentration camps and take another 30 million ppl out of the workforce?
You all are ridiculous!
Project 2025 is also bullshit. Obama destroyed public schools by starting the whole charter school vouchers thing. Most of P2025 is about the National Security State & unconditional support for the Zionist State - all things Democrats support!!
And if trumps stupidity does end up destroying the US economy, good. The death of America's genocidal policies around the world can't happen fast enough.
Bring. It. On.
People are sick of Democrats gaslighting & nonstop bullshit. If the #Democrats message is We Don't Give A Fuck Want You Want, then people are going turn around and fuck them, by voting for Trump. Get that into your head.
Edit; ofc idiots like @benfell who know zero about the origins of the proxy war in Ukraine are also blind to the fact that these US imperialistic wars are exactly what's screwing ppl like him over! I dont care about idiots like him - or anyone else who thinks calling someone a tankie doesnt disqualify you as an intelligent person- I care about the other 80% of humanity.
Aral Balkan
@Im_Speaking_Now @ViXY_DBC @benfell @drrjv @spujb @oerum @israel @palestine > You're nothing but an empire-genocide apologist.
Do fuck off.
If it isn’t neoliberals, it’s bloody tankies… *smh*
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