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   翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 00:25:15 JST 翠星石

   • Pawlicker
   @PurpCat If the internet archive uses GNU/Linux, it'll be back up by the end of the month.
   
   There is no chance a windows 10 user will go to a kernel that doesn't operate on its own.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 00:35:20 JST 翠星石

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     • menherahair
     @menherahair With software that garbage, I reckon such site will take at least a year to get back up.
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     menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 00:35:21 JST menherahair

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     • Pawlicker
     @Suiseiseki @PurpCat what if they use linux with freebsd userspace compiled with clang against musl
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     Rocket (rocket@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 00:41:58 JST Rocket

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     • Pawlicker
     @Suiseiseki @PurpCat I would love windows 10 users to move to linux, but I just don't think it will happen very frequently. What really is the future market of windows though? Most users will be very happy with something like chrome os. I could see a lot of gamers moving to linux thanks to steam. Outside of core gamers, who is running windows? If Apple/Google made it so you could dock your phone/tablet and use it with a keyboard/mouse/monitor, wouldn't that just eliminate PCs for 90% of users?
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 00:41:58 JST 翠星石

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     • Rocket
     @Rocket This is what you'd get if you were to move to just Linux; https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/init/main.c#n1525
     
     At minimum, people would need to move to the systemd/Linux OS, or systemd for short.
     
     >What really is the future market of windows though?
     There is no real future market - microsoft has stuck onto computing like the parasite they are, using every possible illegal practice to keep it going, but the usage of windows keeps dropping.
     
     >Most users will be very happy with something like chrome os.
     ChromeOS is Gentoo GNU/Linux with the freedom removed.
     
     >Outside of core gamers, who is running windows?
     Business types that have been handcuffed into systems restricted by microsoft and their buddies and those who bought a computer or a laptop that came with windows is the primary used of windows.
     
     >If Apple/Google made it so you could dock your phone/tablet and use it with a keyboard/mouse/monitor, wouldn't that just eliminate PCs for 90% of users?
     Android (uses the kernel, Linux, but sucks as GNU is missing) already supports keyboards/mouses and some devices do HDMI or DP over USB-C, so you can use such devices like a PC, although such is unusable until you at least install Termux and GNU on that (Termux offers a Xorg client).
     
     Most iOS devices support monitor output and a keyboard and mouse now (better buy all the dongles).
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 00:58:01 JST 翠星石

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     • menherahair
     • Parker Banks
     @parker @menherahair microsoft does not compile windows server with gcc and simply compiling something with gcc doesn't make it GNU.
     
     windows used to use GNU make as part of the build system, but not anymore - they use their own terrible build system instead.
     
     You could run GNU software on windows server, but the whole idea of a server is that it's meant to be actually stable, thus you're much better off wiping the server and installing GNU/Linux and running GNU software with no constraints.
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     Parker Banks (parker@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 00:58:02 JST Parker Banks

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     • menherahair
     @Suiseiseki @menherahair What about GNU/Windows (windows server compiled with GCC).
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:07:31 JST 翠星石

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     • gray
     @gray A large portion *does* need one, although many are so reckless with abandon for basic human dignity that they want everything to go through demon rectangles.
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     gray (gray@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:07:32 JST gray

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     • Pawlicker
     • Nudhul
     • Rocket
     @Nudhul @PurpCat @Suiseiseki @Rocket a large portion of the populace doesn’t even need a general purpose computer anymore
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:07:33 JST Pawlicker

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     • Rocket
     @Rocket @Suiseiseki >Outside of core gamers, who is running windows?
     
     I think you should go walk in my shoes for a week, go do my job, and see how literally everyone runs Windows.
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     Nudhul (nudhul@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:07:33 JST Nudhul

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     • Pawlicker
     • Rocket
     @PurpCat @Suiseiseki @Rocket people dont use linux because linux is bad for the average person
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:07:53 JST Pawlicker

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     @Suiseiseki no I'm not doxing myself
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:07:53 JST 翠星石

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     • Pawlicker
     @PurpCat Then don't make offers you won't follow through with.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:07:54 JST 翠星石

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     • Pawlicker
     @PurpCat Send me a list.
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     Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:07:55 JST Pawlicker

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     @Suiseiseki tell this to every single business in my area
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:07:56 JST 翠星石

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     • Pawlicker
     @PurpCat Just because the business that hires you has been conned, same as many others, don't mean that all businesses run windows.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:11:38 JST 翠星石

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     • Nudhul
     @Nudhul People don't commonly use LiGNUx simply because it's not what comes on the computer.
     
     GNU is good for the average person, as it at least respects their freedom.
     
     Functionally wise, it seems that those not corrupted by windowisms actually find DE's easier to use and even then only those who should not use a computer will refuse to use an OS just because the GUI is not exactly like windows.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:11:56 JST 翠星石

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     • gray
     @gray You can do very few things on a touchscreen and even such things are done ineffectively.
     
     All demon rectangles can really do is scrolling though things.
     
     That is only two minor things a computer can do - computers can do far, far more than that.
     
     
     Tracking devices do not offer the functionality GNU offers for one; https://www.gnu.org/software/
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     gray (gray@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:11:57 JST gray

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     @Suiseiseki why when you can do everything through the internet or apps on their phones? the only thing a PC is good at is gaming or doing things like photo/video editing.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:17:24 JST 翠星石

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     • Nudhul
     @Nudhul GNU can be configured for ultra-simplicity unlike windows.
     
     You can add desktop shortcuts that do whatever you want (do more than just launch a program in one double click).
     
     All of the programs are arranged in a sorted menu without ads.
     
     You can also alias bash commands to be as simple as typing in a single word.
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     Nudhul (nudhul@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:17:25 JST Nudhul

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     @Suiseiseki
     
     >GNU is good for the average person, as it at least respects their freedom.
     
     this is not something the average person cares about. they want ultra simplicity. if they cant see a desktop shortcut for a program it might as well not exist.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:23:27 JST 翠星石

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     • Parker Banks
     @parker >The software just doesn't yet exist on systemd/Linux for a lot of business applications,
     I'm not sure what you mean. There is more software available on GNU/Linux than windows, especially for business tasks.
     
     A lot of the time what a business needs is custom software and it will save them a huge amount of time and money to get something for GNU/Linux that works properly and doesn't have a monthly rent, then get something on windows that doesn't work properly and have a huge rent.
     
     >most people can't/won't spend time fiddling with some command line based alternative when that time could be spent making money from clients
     The whole idea is that they're free software replacements, rather than mere alternatives.
     
     In many cases, a CLI or TUI interface is much faster than a GUI.
     
     It's a waste of time to make money from clients if you have to hand most of it over to a proprietary master.
     
     >when the industry standards expected by regulators only exist on Winblows.
     A proprietary program is never an industry standard - there is a proprietary master and servants that have to do as the master says.
     
     There is real industry standard software on GNU/Linux like asterisk and nginx etc.
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     Parker Banks (parker@cawfee.club)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:23:28 JST Parker Banks

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     • Pawlicker
     @Suiseiseki @PurpCat The software just doesn't yet exist on Linux for a lot of business applications, and most people can't/won't spend time fiddling with some command line based alternative when that time could be spent making money from clients, or when the industry standards expected by regulators only exist on Winblows.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:25:35 JST 翠星石

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     • gray
     @gray You cannot do meaningful or profitable work on a touchscreen, thus all of such activities are either optional wastes of time, or artificially created.
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     gray (gray@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:25:36 JST gray

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     @Suiseiseki No *you* can do very little on a touchscreen. Most people can do exactly what they need to do on one.
     
     Also no one gives a shit about GNU except massive nerds and ideologues.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:53:37 JST 翠星石

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     • gray
     @gray I can use a touch screen just as well as anyone else can - I just have the knowledge of what computers can and should do and understand how hard touchscreens limit such.
     
     The easiest way to demonstrate such would be to install the Emacs OS onto Android and try to use it effectively on a touchscreen (you can't).
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     gray (gray@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:53:38 JST gray

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     @Suiseiseki Once again just because *you* can’t doesn’t mean other people can’t.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:55:58 JST 翠星石

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     • miyako
     @Miyako >literally every business
     Source?
     
     I've seen evidence that many businesses have been conned, but certainly not all of them.
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     miyako (miyako@hidamari.apartments)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:55:59 JST miyako

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     • Pawlicker
     • Rocket
     @PurpCat @Suiseiseki @Rocket literally every business runs windows and/or windows server, pays for business office 365, some pay for intune or have windows servers. In some sectors linux only used for specific things.