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   Renaud Chaput (renchap@oisaur.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:14:22 JST Renaud Chaput

   • Eugen Rochko
   • Kevin Beaumont
   • Pcottle

   @GossiTheDog @Gargron @zuck @pcottle definitely legal from what they discussed

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 07:34:11 JST Eugen Rochko

     • かき@GNUsocialJP

     It's always a pleasure to see a popular Threads account with fediverse-sharing enabled. Despite such a vast difference in the platforms, we can achieve a human connection. But fediverse integration in Threads is still in a sorry state over a year since launch. They need to be able to follow us back. They need to see when we mention them. Those are such basic things.

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     Bellison22 (bellison22@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 07:37:58 JST Bellison22

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron I agree, whole heartedly. Yes, platforms are different but we should be able to cross "pollinate" easily

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     Dave Winer ☕️ (davew@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 07:44:20 JST Dave Winer ☕️

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron — your point of view is very important here.

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     ✦ Velvet Strawberry ✦ (vstrawberry@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 08:11:55 JST ✦ Velvet Strawberry ✦

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron Somehow, I am a concerned Meta is up to no good. Let's hope I am wrong. I am more optimistic with BlueSky. Is so nice there!

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     Bluebabbler (bluebabbler@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 08:29:17 JST Bluebabbler

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron 'Human connection' requires the same level of interaction on both ends. This seems just being... audience.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 08:52:25 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron They will! @threads will enable two-way communication either this month, next month, or in December before Christmas 🎄!

     @mosseri & @zuck are probably working on scalability & moderation issues before they enable two-way communication.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 08:54:33 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • Darnell Clayton :verified:
     • かき@GNUsocialJP

     @darnell @threads @mosseri @zuck Where did you hear this?

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 09:22:03 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Ghost of Enrico Palazzo 🎃

     @Sir_Osis_of_Liver Well, you could say "If I wanted to be on beige.party, I'd have a beige.party account", and yet here we are talking to each other while using completely separate platforms. That's the principle of the fediverse and I don't see why it shouldn't apply to Threads. I want to talk to people regardless of which platform they choose.

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     Ghost of Enrico Palazzo 🎃 (sir_osis_of_liver@beige.party)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 09:22:04 JST Ghost of Enrico Palazzo 🎃

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron

     If I wanted to be on Threads, I'd have a Threads account.

     As far as I'm concerned they can fuck all the way off.

     I moved to an instance that blocks Threads so I don't have to interact with them.

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     Darnell Clayton :verified: (darnell@one.darnell.one)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 09:24:40 JST Darnell Clayton :verified:

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • The Verge News Feed
     • Tom Coates
     • Johannes Ernst

     @Gargron @mosseri @zuck I remember #Meta employees talking about this on #Threads.

     However, @verge published a timeline of when @threads would integrate with the #Fediverse & integration with #Mastodon was late 2024.

     👉🏾 A peek at the Threads / #ActivityPub roadmap. https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24035256/a-peek-at-the-threads-activitypub-roadmap

     Also @j12t can confirm this roadmap too: https://reb00ted.org/tech/20231208-meta-threads-data-dialogue/

     Notes from @tomcoates too: http://plasticbag.org/archives/2024/01/how-threads-will-integrate-with-the-fediverse/

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     Janimary (janimary@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 09:29:07 JST Janimary

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron how are you doing

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     The Flight Attendant (cosmictraveler@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 09:32:42 JST The Flight Attendant

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron They still can't see when we mention them? So all the federated threads accounts I've been requesting to ask their friends to federate can't even see my request? Great.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 09:35:00 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • The Flight Attendant

     @CosmicTraveler Yes. Unless it's in a reply to their post.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 09:42:17 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Ghost of Enrico Palazzo 🎃

     @Sir_Osis_of_Liver Do you refuse to accept text messages or phone calls from friends unless they're on the same phone network as you? Do you refuse to send e-mails to your friends unless they self-host their e-mail? It should not matter what provider you use. People should be able to connect. That's the principle of the fediverse.

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     Ghost of Enrico Palazzo 🎃 (sir_osis_of_liver@beige.party)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 09:42:18 JST Ghost of Enrico Palazzo 🎃

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron

     If you can't see the difference between a massive, industry dominating conglomerate with a history of devastating what it considers to be competitors, and an instance run as a hobby, then I can't help you.

     Frankly, I can't believe anyone could be that naive.

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     The Flight Attendant (cosmictraveler@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 09:51:12 JST The Flight Attendant

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron Ok, cool. I've been replying to people's posts. So I think they can see me but so far nobody has gotten anyone I've asked to federate. I'll keep trying.

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     sashk 🇺🇦 (sashk@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 10:00:33 JST sashk 🇺🇦

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron agree, but i'm surprised we can follow _anyone_ there. didn't expect that fediverse integration would even go live. hope in a year or two it will work better ;)

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     Johannes Ernst (j12t@j12t.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 10:18:16 JST Johannes Ernst

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     • Darnell Clayton :verified:
     • Eugen Rochko
     • The Verge News Feed
     • Tom Coates

     @darnell @Gargron @mosseri @zuck @verge @threads @tomcoates

     Also, listen to Peter's update given a month ago at FediForum: https://spectra.video/w/w8ErDiH83UTptZsUxQzbkg

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     John Gruber (gruber@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 10:46:58 JST John Gruber

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron It’s weird when you think about. It’s like they’ve drilled a peephole in the wall, but it’s obvious they need to build a full door.

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 11:33:01 JST Eugen Rochko

     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • A Person

     @timdesuyo I want to understand, how does this in your view have anything to do with anyone controlling what you see? You are on Mastodon. Here you control what you see.

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     DroidPort (droidport@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 13:04:26 JST DroidPort

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron this is literally the promise of the fediverse... Without it I don't think Threads should be considered a part of it.

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     Dr Pen (drpen@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 14:05:21 JST Dr Pen

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Ghost of Enrico Palazzo 🎃

     @Gargron @Sir_Osis_of_Liver Id say Telecom is a great example. In north UK, a city called Hull has had an independent telecom since forever - Kcom. Hull has NEVER had British Telecom networks or even public phone boxes (theyre white, not red). Even now, it is still independent. Yet, it is seamlessly connected to BT and beyond into global telecom. Other cities/areas could have done this in the past in UK but they chose not to.

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     Fubaroque (fubaroque@mastodon.social)'s status on Saturday, 19-Oct-2024 17:01:14 JST Fubaroque

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron 🤣

     I predict that you will not discover that you do not understand what makes Mastodon a success until you try to create your next social network. 🤔

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     Pcottle (pcottle@cyberplace.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:14:19 JST Pcottle

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Troed Sångberg
     • Kevin Beaumont

     @renchap @troed @GossiTheDog @Gargron

     yep as Renaud mentioned, we made a promise to users that:
     - they had five minutes to change their mind and not publish to the fediverse, via deleting their post
     - no Fediverse server was capable of *not* respecting their edits, since we simply didn't federate posts until editing was done

     Switching to instant publishing + edit syncs is a very different mental mode of how it works, and we'd need to disclose that (to both users and regulators)

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     Renaud Chaput (renchap@oisaur.com)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:14:20 JST Renaud Chaput

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Troed Sångberg
     • Kevin Beaumont
     • Pcottle

     @troed @GossiTheDog @Gargron @zuck @pcottle on this specific case, they confirmed this was a (boring) legal reason, and will be removed once federatikg edits is done, the t are crossed and the i are dotted on some paperwork

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     Troed Sångberg (troed@ioc.exchange)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:14:21 JST Troed Sångberg

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Kevin Beaumont
     • Pcottle

     @renchap

     "We'll delay posting to Fediverse until our 15 minute edit window has expired" is what had me conclude they're not acting in good faith.

     Unfortunately.

     @GossiTheDog @Gargron @zuck @pcottle

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     Pcottle (pcottle@cyberplace.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 01:20:26 JST Pcottle

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron we launched our public beta on March 21st, 30 weeks ago -- not over a year :)

     Since then we have:
     - expanded to 100+ countries
     - gone from outbound publishing + likes to having fediverse replies, media ingestion, integrity screening, profile display
     - implemented transparent blocklists with appeal forms

     And most important of all... haven't ruined the fediverse! Before we launched that was everyone's top worry, and I'd rather be slow and cautious (with our size) vs brazen and careless

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     Eugen Rochko (gargron@mastodon.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 02:44:45 JST Eugen Rochko

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     • かき@GNUsocialJP
     • Pcottle

     @pcottle Hi Peter, I appreciate every step towards interoperability, but I’m counting from the day Threads launched publicly, since it was supposed to be a federated platform from the beginning. I’d much rather you be able to send me your response to my post directly from your Threads account instead 🙂

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     Pcottle (pcottle@cyberplace.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:37:19 JST Pcottle

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     • Eugen Rochko

     @Gargron we're aligned on that! Really excited for bi-directional replies

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     Pcottle (pcottle@cyberplace.social)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:39:19 JST Pcottle

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Troed Sångberg
     • Kevin Beaumont

     @troed @renchap @GossiTheDog @Gargron I'd just ask for understanding that sometimes an incremental approach is easier to work through at a large company with regulatory oversight versus doing everything at once.

     Being able to go to market with our MVP and not having to worry about:
     - edits being respected by a wide variety of disparate fediverse software
     - users not having a chance to abort a fediverse publish

     Helped significantly :)

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     Troed Sångberg (troed@ioc.exchange)'s status on Monday, 21-Oct-2024 03:39:20 JST Troed Sångberg

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     • Eugen Rochko
     • Kevin Beaumont
     • Pcottle

     @pcottle

     Why the whole mess of not doing it the correct way to begin with?

     Not treating the Fediverse as equal citizens when it comes to real time information is sus.

     @renchap @GossiTheDog @Gargron