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   Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:21:20 JST Bread up, Bro
   eigen getting heavy
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:32:32 JST kuteboiCoder

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     no no no you see, I want my neighbors and no-name wagies and their punk-ass kids to believe they're going to hell if they don't behave themselves. Good for stonks and property values.

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:32:32 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder the long pinned FreeNortherner quote is the summation here:
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:36:53 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder the incentive structure was "it doesn't matter if you are rich or poor, you're in the pews on Sunday" so it was very much not invisible.
     
     If you weren't there, there was talk.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:36:54 JST kuteboiCoder

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     The "incentive structure" doesn't fucking work when it's invisible. And people live in an age of instant convenience and science and progress and we wuz astronauts n sheeit.

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:44:35 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder I think asking to fix society is a big task to start with.
     
     But not forcing people to participate in things changes the constitution of them, yes. If you can choose to exit, people with less investment in controlling something will tend to be run out.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:44:36 JST kuteboiCoder

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     I see a lot of poasites remarking that they bailed on the church because it's jewy or racemixxy or whatever.
     
     Nobody forces you to go, right?
     
     If you were forced to go, would that really fix society?

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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:51:48 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @sickburnbro@poa.st
     
     I've remarked a little bit before that Christianity (true to the source material) is inevitably severed from any consideration of pragmatic benefit. Because that's what Christianity is.
     
     But Christians (true, fake, everywhere in between) inevitably are influenced by, I guess, health and wealth, or societal flourishing in the here and now.
     
     What if it doesn't work?
     
     Are you gonna love your enemies anyway? Ah, there's the rub.

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:51:48 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder It sounds like your understanding of Christianity is deeply influenced by how post modern liberals have attempted to redefine it.
     
     You would have to search hard to find a Christian man prior to 1850 that was against kith and kin.
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     Escoffier Gab refugee (escoffier@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:54:34 JST Escoffier Gab refugee

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     @sickburnbro @KuteboiCoder or 1950 for that matter
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:54:34 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @Escoffier @KuteboiCoder it was certainly not a lot at that point, but I think you could find them by that point.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:57:02 JST kuteboiCoder

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     Why did the 1850s end?
     
     I know that the 1850s ended and I know that the 2020s will eventually end. But I hope the 2090s will never end.
     
     [insert anime villain monologue here]

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 05:57:02 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder The 1850s ended because man thought through communism you could make utopia on earth. Science and medicine, from man's hand, brought men back from the edge of death.
     
     It's hard to adequately describe what technological progress must have been like to someone who was born in 1870 and died in 1970. You see automobiles, then planes, then rockets to the moon.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:01:18 JST kuteboiCoder

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     Granted, we wuz astronauts is becoming more of a distant memory if you live and California where tweakers are shitting in the streets and we can't keep the electricity on.
     
     Perhaps there is a third way. Perhaps there ought to be.

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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:01:18 JST kuteboiCoder

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     This is inevitable I think. The third way (whatever that is) will emerge when the second way reaches its dead end.

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     EvilSandmich (evilsandmich@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:01:18 JST EvilSandmich

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     @KuteboiCoder @sickburnbro That's the hope, that someone will cook up an answer to the question of "How do we get the comforts of modernity without the civilization ending debauchery?". Right now it looks like the later part wins out, i.e. no modernity and all debauchery ("Africa Wins Again").
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:02:20 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @EvilSandmich @KuteboiCoder It will happen. The simple fact is that technology has changed so many things so rapidly it has destroyed culture. But like nature returning to an abandoned factory, it will happen.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:04:08 JST kuteboiCoder

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     @sickburnbro@poa.st
     
     That's a bit of shitlib-brained modernism - they same that I alluded to a bit ago. We all do it.
     
     Here's what's glossed over -
     
     The invention of the steam engine doesn't actually refute the existence of God, logically speaking, now does it? And neither does the atom bomb really. It's just a hot no-touchy poisonous metal somebody dug out of the dirt.
     
     Science doesn't actually disprove God. But, in the fucking 2020s we all are living in a postmodern world where it appears the consensus is that God has been disproven.
     
     Why?
     
     How?

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:08:35 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder This is a great question.
     
     To some degree it's because technology has given man an overinflated ego - that we are the masters of our own destiny. We were actually God all along.
     
     Once you say "god is dead" it is easy to keep saying that because then you get to say you want to rewrite any rule you want, no matter how old it is. You can say "we're smarter/better now, this doesn't apply"
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:09:26 JST kuteboiCoder

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     • EvilSandmich

     @sickburnbro@poa.st @EvilSandmich@poa.st
     
     A world without technology would be a world without people. There is not enough freshwater or wild game to sustain 7 billion people.
     
     There is no conceivable crisis that would cause a restoration of the Bronze Age, homoerotic bodybuilder fantasies notwithstanding.

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:11:00 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder @EvilSandmich Ah, but I'm not saying a world without technology. I'm saying that technology has changed culture and destroyed it. As we can see with organic certifications, culture is reasserting over how food is produced. We are saying "actually just because you can dream up a chemical doesn't mean it's good to put on food"
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:11:18 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder @EvilSandmich 200 years ago there was no need for such a thing.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:13:55 JST kuteboiCoder

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     I also have made fedi posts about the indigenous rain dances as being the root of all revealed religions.
     
     Modern man does not depend upon the forces of nature for our food supply; and early man was totally at the mercy of the forces of nature for his food supply. That inclines the heart towards petitionary prayer, praise, martial courage, genuflection, and contrition.

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 06:13:55 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder yes, think how much power being able to guess solar events gave the priests in central america.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 08:06:21 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @KuteboiCoder @EvilSandmich people forget what percentage of the world population was in europe at the beginning of the 20th century.
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     EvilSandmich (evilsandmich@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 08:06:22 JST EvilSandmich

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     @KuteboiCoder @sickburnbro I’m not talking in the short or even medium long term, but if, after generations, humanity is left with nothing but a bunch of “Muh Dickers” there’s going to be a lot more mud huts than castles.
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     kuteboiCoder (kuteboicoder@subs4social.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 17-Oct-2024 08:06:22 JST kuteboiCoder

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     • EvilSandmich

     @EvilSandmich@poa.st @sickburnbro@poa.st
     
     not a good future, but it's the best we can realistically hope for.
     
     Unless...