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   SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 02:14:45 JST SuperDicq

   • Xerz! :blobcathearttrans:
   • The Stallman report

   @xerz@fedi.xerz.one @report_press@mastodon.social I just want to make very clear I do not agree with Stallman on these topics, but I do not think he should be called a pedophile for simply voicing his opinion.
   
   And yes producing CSAM is bad. The A stands for abuse, abuse is always bad, there's no arguments here.

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     @xerz@fedi.xerz.one @report_press@mastodon.social What I want to mention is that if properly argumented I think both "The age of consent should be lowered to 14" and "Nobody should be allowed to have sex until marriage" are can be valid opinions.
     
     If you think one of these opinions is valid and the other one is not, you are clearly biased.
     
     The point of public discourse is to find a middle ground between all these far reaching fringe opinions. But that will never happen if we start considering discussion about certain topics taboo.

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     wizzwizz4 (wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 02:28:13 JST wizzwizz4

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     @SuperDicq @report_press He's not being called anything for "simply voicing his opinion". Most of us go through a phase where we question such things. (I basically came to the same conclusion as @xerz, with a little more pessimism about the ability of law to represent such nuanced concepts as "power relations", aged 15-ish.)

     I think the fact he still holds these views, even after dozens of people have explained to him how he's wrong and harming others, is worthy of criticism.

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     @wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org @report_press@mastodon.social @xerz@fedi.xerz.one Sure, I can agree with the criticism, that's fair.
     
     But I don't see how this is something worthy of ruining someone's career, credibility and boycotting every organization he's associated with?

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     @SuperDicq @xerz @report_press It's not. It's obviously not. But that's not what's happening.

     Richard Stallman refuses to improve as a person, except in exceptional, increasingly-rare circumstances, and people in positions of power are closing ranks around him.

     If he was just an arsehole nobody who contributed some ideas, that's one thing. If he was an influential arsehole who worked on himself (e.g. Linus Torvalds), that's another thing. But he's made himself a political figure.

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     @SuperDicq @xerz @report_press At any point, he has the option of no longer being a political figure. He doesn't have to resign from free software, or even activism, so long as he isn't wielding the power of organisations and bureaucracy and other people's labour for his own ends.

     > I've stated above some parts of my views about certain political issues unrelated to the issue of free software—about which of those activities are or aren't unjust. Your views about them might differ,

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     @wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org @xerz@fedi.xerz.one @report_press@mastodon.social I'm pretty sure all his work that he does for the FSF is to promote free software. I don't think there's anyone as dedicated to the cause as Stallman is personally.

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     @SuperDicq @xerz @report_press On a personal note: I don't think Richard Stallman should be in charge of the FSF, but I also plan to request his feedback on something. (And yes, of course, I would credit him if he were to contribute to it.)

     I don't think we should exclude Richard Stallman. But, acknowledging that he is often unpleasant to be around and interact with, we should not require anybody to do so.

     Keeping him on in his position in the FSF amounts to that requirement.

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     @wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org @xerz@fedi.xerz.one @report_press@mastodon.social Sure, that's probably one of the first reasonable takes I've heard from someone who opposes Stallman being in charge of the FSF.
     
     I don't agree, but I can see why you would think that.

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     @SuperDicq @xerz @report_press

     > and that's precisely the point.

     — https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freedom-to-run.html, Richard Stallman (2012)

     > “The Free Software Foundation (FSF) is a nonprofit with a worldwide mission to promote computer user freedom. We defend the rights of all software users.”

     When protecting Richard Stallman's desire to have influence is at odds with the FSF's mission, freedom 0 takes precedence.

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     wizzwizz4 (wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Oct-2024 02:51:52 JST wizzwizz4

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     @SuperDicq He has been known to veto decisions made in GNU projects he doesn't even maintain.

     The fact he believes he has a veto, and the fact that other people act as though he has a veto – the fact he has a voting seat – suggests that's not the extent of what he does.

     I'm sure Richard Stallman feels righteous, but a feeling of righteousness is easy. It appears he's not willing to put in the hard work of self-improvement. Even Linus Torvalds (opponent of GPLv3) has him beat there.

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     @wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org Also I don't agree with Torvald's opposition towards the GPLv3 whatsoever.

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     @wizzwizz4 rms as Chief GNUisance does have the ability to veto decisions that would go against freedom.
     
     The only reason why Linus Torvalds opposes the GPLv3 is that he's doesn't want the user to have freedom - he actually wants some company to always have the power to restrict the user.
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     @wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org I agree, I wouldn't mind a GPLv4 (or 3.1?) that addresses some issues, especially clarification on code usage in machine learning training data and other modern issues.
     
     But I'm not a lawyer so I'm not sure if that is necessary.

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     @SuperDicq Even the AGPLv3 doesn't go far enough: they've invented new and exciting forms of tivoization that technically don't break the rules. We need a GPLv4 imo.

     (And, despite saying that, I've mostly stopped licensing stuff as -or-later. I no longer trust the FSF to write a decent GPLv4. Heck, I barely trust Creative Commons any more.)

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     @wizzwizz4 There is no "technically", you either break the rules or you don't.
     
     You can trust the "Such new versions will be similar in spirit to the present version, but may differ in detail to address new problems or concerns." with freedom enjoyers like me around.
     
     Please assign a proxy for deciding on future versions.
     
     
     Creative commons doesn't even give you the option of -only.
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     @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org Even if it is not enforceable because as you said regular proprietary media is being used in training data too. It will still put up a red tape over the code that makes these AI companies think twice still.

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     @SuperDicq @wizzwizz4 The thing is that technically if the training data (content like video, photos, text) who are under the default proprietary license instead of one of the copyleft creative commons, then by the usual logic then the result should be also proprietary.
     I'm taking of course a worse case scenario (as it should be with current corpos/legislation).
     But it would be great if legally a General Public Licensed software would have exceptions to this like would a research project would have.
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     >I no longer trust the FSF to write a decent GPLv4. Heck, I barely trust Creative Commons any more.)
     Fear is the mind killer if you want to solve this study and share NVC.
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     @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org If you put -or-later on your software you need to have a lot of trust in FSF that they will not get compromised at any future date. I personally still use or-later because I have faith but I do think that not using -or-later is a completely valid standpoint.

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     @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org I agree too, but the politicians and courts who don't understand that machine learning is just a program with input and output like any other piece of software we have will say dumb shit like "So uh like AI is like not human so copyright does not apply lmao bruh"

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     @mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq Copyleft software licenses should not have "if you have enough electricity and compute power, you can launder the share-alike clause away" as a valid interpretation.

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     @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq Indeed.
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     @SuperDicq If all the work he does is free software promotion, why all the effort to make sure he stayed on the board?

     No, it's about power dynamics. It all comes back to that: Richard Stallman's inappropriate views around power dynamics, and his refusal to confront himself on them.

     You know what persuaded me of the allegations against him? (Before there were many, before they were anything more than vague rumours, to me.) Not the allegations: Richard Stallman's own website.

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     @funbaker@chaos.social @wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world I agree.

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     @wizzwizz4 @mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq I must have missed the part where RMS did actual harm to someone.

     Having an opinion, disagreeable or not, does no harm.
     Stop normalizing the idea of thought-crimes, thx.

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     @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq Basically a group of schizos accused rms of a lot of stuff when he argued in a mailing list about the relation of Marvin Minsky and Epstein, then drama happened see https://stallmansupport.org/
     
     As I said in another post, this is a fucking waste of time and the same people are still trying to gank rms on those fantasies of them.
     There's like so much work to do legally and technically for computer freedom and these people waist there time degrading the whole communities over nothing.
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     @mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq I'm familiar with that. I somewhat agree, but I believe you've misrepresented the situation, and I'm not sure why you're holding the Software Freedom Conservancy culpable.

     The later (and earlier) criticisms of Richard Stallman are valid. Indeed, criticisms about his opinions on that very topic are also valid! Taking one quote out of context "as evidence" of reprehensible views, is not however acceptable.

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     @SuperDicq @mangeurdenuage And, like, I'm going to be around and contactable for the next few decades at least. If GPLv4 comes out, and someone tells me about it, I can review it and decide whether to relicense my software.

     If I get hit by a bus, whoever inherits the copyright can deal with that. If they don't want to bother, well, I do trust the Software Freedom Conservancy.

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     >I do trust the Software Freedom Conservancy.
     I don't. They went full retard with the slander that happened a few years ago and that's not ok.
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     @mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq Given how you phrased that, I expect I'll disagree with your assessment. But, I haven't heard about this. What happened?

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     @funbaker@chaos.social Oh yeah especially the section "Analysis of Stallman’s published comments" that contains a supposed table where they count Stallman's statements and his retractions.
     
     It is obviously unfair to count the amount of retractions against the amount of statements relating to a certain topic.
     
     Expecting a retraction for every single individual statement that you consider problematic is unreasonable. I bet Stallman himself doesn't remember the exact thing he said 20+ years ago on some random mailing list.
     
     If someone makes a retraction on a single topic you should assume that all the other related statements to the same topic are to be considered retracted as well.
     
     I might go as far and say that the way they present this table is done so maliciously.

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     @SuperDicq I tried to read the "report". The part I read is already full of shit.

     The source for _one_ of the "allegations" is the apology for that one, followed by the accusations that this apology does not cover _all the other_ "allegations".

     This can only be described as being full of shit. No matter how hard I try.

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     @funbaker@chaos.social Also the explicit call to action at the end of the report for all the listed FSF members that the report considers "contemporaneous with the associated patterns of misconduct" to step down leaves a specifically bad taste in my mouth.
     
     This is textbook cancel culture. Fostering a toxic "you're with us or against us" narrative.

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     @funbaker@chaos.social Cancel culture is the social media equivalent in the modern era. I think it applies here.
     
     There is a reason why cancel culture is listed under discrimination on Wikipedia, because it's generally bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_culture

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     @SuperDicq "Cancel culture" is a quite modern term. No, this is a classic withhunt, minus the burning at the stake.

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     @funbaker @mangeurdenuage @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq Important video.
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     @mangeurdenuage I mean, we are already loosing the benefits of society over this. IF rms would be a child molester, then he wouldn't have to deal with any of this bullshit.

     But he isn't.

     @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq

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     @mangeurdenuage Ah. Like the catholic church. @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq

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     @funbaker @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq
     --Life-alienating communication both stems from and support hierarchical or domination society, where large populations are controlled by a small number of individuals to those individuals own benefit. It would be in the interest of kings, czars, nobles and so forth that the masses be educated in a way that renders them slavelike in mentality. The language on wrongness, should, and have to is perfectly suited for this purpose: the more people are trained to think in terms of moralistic judgement that imply wrongness and badness, the more they are being trained to look outside of themselves - to look outside authorities-for the definition of what constitutes right, wrong, good, and bad. When we are in contact with our feelings and needs, we humans no longer make good slaves and underlings. --"
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     @mangeurdenuage For me it's not the time to watch videos. @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq

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     @funbaker @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq I know. That's why I use simpler versions like what I posted previously.
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     @mangeurdenuage You probably know how hard this is, especially in the topic here. @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq

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     @funbaker @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq The more elaborate explanation too this is here cnvc.org
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     @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq @funbaker As always be a good neighbor, be excellent to each other.
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     @mangeurdenuage @wizzwizz4 @SuperDicq wth should that mean?

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     @funbaker @mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq Richard Stallman would, I hope, disagree.

     > In anything we publish, and anything we send to strangers (they might redistribute it to the public), we have to show that our views about issues are primarily based on the moral level.

     https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/the-moral-and-the-legal.html

     His writings are part of why I feel this way about things. I would love to see him address these issues, these arguments – but he just doesn't.

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     @funbaker @mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq We shouldn't force him to: I agree strongly that "thought crimes" aren't. But, being a leader comes with responsibilities.

     I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to choose one.

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     @wizzwizz4 @funbaker @SuperDicq
     >But, being a leader comes with responsibilities.
     And he does, there's nothing one can do much about this. He already responded to the issue and people said "no you aren't sincere, you're lying" the usual suspects don't want him to say that he's sorry, he already did that, they want him and all his supporters gone so they can put people who share the same group think as them, it's literally stated at the bottom of their text.
     
     It's very unproductive to spend energy like that. They should have done their own group instead "the friends of the software freedom movement for female empowerment" or something like that instead of shooting in the group like that.
     
     I'll add that "responsibility" is something we all share, "followers" are not exempted of that. Again I encourage to see cnvc.org