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Seems like the abortion thing is the only thing democrats are running on, on a local-ish level. Pretty telling.
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@doctorsex I don't know if it is, actually. Like one of the ads I saw had an old woman. Like bitch, you're not getting pregnant. It really gives me the feeling that the abortion as animating principle is a 60s feminism "woman power" thing.
But now young women are fucking sick of the grind, and screaming "where are the men ( who will give me a baby) at?"
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To be fair that is pretty animating for their base
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@doctorsex I guarantee you that I could go to any place where women were claiming to care about this and tell them that they don't need to worry about abortion because no-one would bother raping them, and they would lose their minds.
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I dunno man. It seems like a pretty big deal for them still. And maybe you have some people who want to finally settle down and have children, but
1.) Are there enough of them for that to matter
2.) There is no reason to believe just because they personally might want a family now, they still don't support "women's rights" on principle.
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@doctorsex For sure, but that is the kind of passive support that can't override "fuck I can't afford food" - which was what I was kind of getting at when I was saying this seems to be all they are running on.
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I have met so many women who will say stuff like "yeah I would never get an abortion but it's not the job of the state to tell me I couldn't" or similar stuff like that. They've spent decades cultivating rhetoric around building a cadre of people dedicated to this as single issue voters
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@doctorsex Like not, "oh the republicans are why you can't afford to eat" or anything else.
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@TrevorGoodchild @doctorsex For sure - but I don't think even the ones that are seriously committed to this are afraid of getting raped.
The biggest fear is that they will get pregnant by their boyfriend and they can't go make excel spreadsheets for 20 years while hating their life.
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@sickburnbro @doctorsex Well, yeah, but that's just standard female behavior tbqh
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@jimmybuffettfanaccount @doctorsex Thats assuming that the republicans weren't trying to throw it. They've been known to do that, so I'd be careful to take that as proof.
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@sickburnbro @doctorsex abortion is such a successful animating issue for democratics that they won plebiscites in places like kansas over it in 2022.
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@doctorsex For sure, but as a percentage of the electorate, that's not a lot of people.
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"Why would the demographic of people who enthusiastically enter 6 figures of debt for a liberal arts diploma that's worth less than the paper it's printed on also be aggressive single issue voters on something like abortion instead of cost of living concerns?"
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Oh absolutely- it's not a rational campaign by any stretch, but you're giving these people (the democratic base) way more credit and agency. These are people who will voluntarily live in absolute shitheaps like new york for no other reason than the perceived prestige of living in new york. You're thinking about this like a conservative- "why don't liberals have conservative risk-assesment instincts?" Simply put, because they aren't.