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   niconiconi (niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 01:42:38 JST niconiconi

   Don't you love it when a $20 SFP+ module is made useless by a $1 Ethernet cable stuck into the port and can't be removed anymore after its tab became deformed under heat. :woozy_baa:

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 01:43:07 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @niconiconi I so wish Ethernet connectors wouldn't be hot garbage
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:00:12 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be I mean, it's a connector design from the 1960's, we learned a lot since then about connector design.
     
     It's just that replacing it is damn near impossible. There are some stuff that's coming from more industrial automation side of things that is getting semi-standard there (because there the brittleness and everything else really sucks), and the new MNT laptop uses one of those by default because it's smaller and sturdier, but I don't really see it coming to the mainstream.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:02:49 JST feld

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     @ignaloidas @lanodan @niconiconi we have a new industrial Ethernet connector though -- IEC 61076-3-124
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:04:15 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @feld @niconiconi @ignaloidas That's what the MNT Next Reform laptop uses, but essentially nobody sells it to consumers.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:04:55 JST feld

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     @lanodan @niconiconi @ignaloidas I think it will take off soon especially because of the port density
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:05:03 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @feld@friedcheese.us @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be right, that's the one I mean when I talked about the ones coming from industry. This one is included on MNT Reform Next. But the laptop will also come with a dongle from it to regular ethernet, because there's zero chance that people transition to using it rather than modular 8P8C

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:07:18 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @feld @niconiconi @ignaloidas Eh, pretty sure most people are more likely going to upgrade to fiber than change network equipment to Ethernet-IX.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:09:05 JST feld

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     • Ignas Kiela
     @lanodan @niconiconi @ignaloidas For consumers? Unless SPF+ start selling for < $2 each I'm not so certain.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:10:46 JST feld

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     • Ignas Kiela
     @ignaloidas @lanodan @niconiconi when you want to deploy > 48 POE+ cameras and access points on a single switch you will need this
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:10:47 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @feld@friedcheese.us @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be honestly kinda doubt it, I think that port density on switch-gear for 10G or less nowadays is not that important.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:15:19 JST feld

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     @ignaloidas @lanodan @niconiconi Yeah we need to scale up the production first.
     
     I remember when I was selling Cat5E Ethernet at > $1 per foot in the 2000s. Crimpers were like $60.
     
     We've come a long way.
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:15:21 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @feld@friedcheese.us @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be ix industrial isn't all that cheap either, SFP modules do cost, yes, but ix connectors are currently priced for "industrial" applications, so with a premium.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:16:36 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @ignaloidas @niconiconi @feld Yup, and given how ISPs at least in Europe are offering pretty good bandwidth, Ethernet doesn't looks that interesting, at least for high/stable bandwidth, rest can end up being WLAN.
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:19:48 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @feld@friedcheese.us @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be I understand where it would be useful. I don't think these cases are all that common though (it can often be cheaper to put up a bunch of 10 port switches all over the place than to wire a ton of copper from a central location).

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 05:22:31 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @ignaloidas @niconiconi @feld Specially when you've likely also been upgrading said copper quite regularly to not end up crippling your network.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 18:48:41 JST 翠星石

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     @niconiconi Nothing pliers won't fix?
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     niconiconi (niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 23:43:41 JST niconiconi

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     @feld@friedcheese.us @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @ignaloidas@not.acu.lt I purchased my single-mode fiber SPF+ modules for $1-$2 each, I got 20 of them. They came from decommissioned Huawei telecom equipment. The magic of Shenzhen electronics flea market.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 23:44:37 JST feld

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     @niconiconi @lanodan @ignaloidas SFP+? 10gbit for that price? That's really good. Normally you can't beat fs.com prices
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     Ignas Kiela (ignaloidas@not.acu.lt)'s status on Sunday, 06-Oct-2024 23:44:52 JST Ignas Kiela

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     @niconiconi@mk.absturztau.be @feld@friedcheese.us @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
     Famously there's also 5$ 100G Intel optics available on ebay that most people think come from facebook https://www.ebay.ca/itm/234826973241

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