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   Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 02-Oct-2024 10:46:12 JST Bread up, Bro
   well, I guess there had to be a downside to SSDs
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     InvictusManeo (invictusmaneo@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 00:07:37 JST InvictusManeo

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     @sickburnbro Tell me, lost 3 in 5 years, on top of various HDD more.
     And I store them extremely cautiously, away from heating sources or humidity or anything, literally, in their original boxes inside a drawer.
     Most people take considerably less precautions, but they ought to be luckier than me.
     At the second I lost kinda started thinking I was fooled, good side of this is that they're getting cheaper.
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     JoshuaSlocum (joshuaslocum@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 00:07:37 JST JoshuaSlocum

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     @InvictusManeo @sickburnbro there is no real off-line storage anymore
     well, tape, if you want to spend the time and moneys
     i keep everything in ZFS mirrors, with 3-deep replication on- and off-site, where i can keep an eye on the health of the rust and rotate drives out as they reach EOL, but my storage requirements are relatively modest
     that's pretty much the best one can do without going nutso
     but if you're backing up a personal laptop or something similar, you have to have two disks, rust or SSD, and swap them out regularly
     or stop caring about your data, which would be wildly freeing if i were capable of it
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 00:07:37 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @JoshuaSlocum @InvictusManeo if you search for "best offline storage" all the links are cloud. Pretty silly.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 00:21:19 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @JoshuaSlocum @InvictusManeo yeah. the whole idea of curation of photo albums has kind of gone away, and people seem to pray that ai will fix it.
     
     If anything, maybe ai can help you get rid of photos that aren't important.
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     JoshuaSlocum (joshuaslocum@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 00:21:20 JST JoshuaSlocum

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     @sickburnbro @InvictusManeo cloud is okay, for complete defense in depth, but yeah, it's daft to depend on it
     >buh buh buh muh heckin fotorinos
     embrace the power of photo albums and scrapbooks, these are superior to any gimmicky interwebs thing anyway
     i wish folks would treat their phones like a physical photo album
     "oooh, i have a photo of this cool thing/my dog/my special needs child doing a kickflip"
     >proceeds to swipe like a moron for nine minutes while everybody just stands there slowly dying
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     Noct (enlightenedgoth@cawfee.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 20:51:16 JST Noct

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     @phnt @sickburnbro what are you going to do then? and what will you archive shit on? normal drives lose their data in 20 years normally lmao
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 20:51:16 JST Phantasm

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     @enlightenedgoth @sickburnbro HDD ZFS pool(s).
     
     Only tapes are somewhat suitable for cold storage and even that needs some maintenance and routine checks. Optical media suffers from delamination, HDDs suffer from silent bit flips and SSDs loose electrical charge and the ability to differentiate between multiple state charges if it is an MLC/TLC/QLC die. Enterprise SLC dies have much higher endurance than any other type, which of course comes with a steep price tag.
     Bread up, Bro likes this.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 20:51:17 JST Phantasm

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     @enlightenedgoth @sickburnbro I'm not trusting a plastic composite to not delaminate 10 years later. Not to mention the not so great capacity.
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     Noct (enlightenedgoth@cawfee.club)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 20:51:18 JST Noct

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     @sickburnbro m-disks exist if you want to archive important shit
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 03-Oct-2024 20:52:42 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @phnt @enlightenedgoth so I guess that means if you really wanted a backup of your stuff for a n extended no-internet/power situation like major hurricane, tape is the only way to go.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 04-Oct-2024 22:15:47 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @phnt @enlightenedgoth right, obviously you'd want to ship stuff off site, which is another point for tapes, they absolutely ship better.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Friday, 04-Oct-2024 22:15:48 JST Phantasm

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     @sickburnbro @enlightenedgoth Not even tape could probably survive a hurricane when your house is flooded or completely gone. High humidity makes a nice environment for mold to grow. Which obviously would destroy the media inside the container. Offsite backups are made to prevent exactly this scenario, but since the hurricane destroyed entire villages and cities from what I've seen, the backup would have to be ideally in a different state hundreds of miles away from you.
     
     If offsite backup isn't an option, then periodically writing you most important data to tapes at home and then taking them with you somewhere safe is also an option. They can hold terabytes and the containers are mostly sealed, so you don't have to worry about shock damage or scratches when handling them.