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   GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Thursday, 10-Nov-2022 06:57:22 JST GNU Too

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   there's probably not a reason to correct your English. Even us native speakers don't have any clue how to speak it.
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Friday, 09-Dec-2022 02:06:50 JST ガーラ

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     Oh god, sorry, I didn't see you sent me replies. Well, it could be true. I joined hinative, a community to discuss language. Sometimes I have no idea to correct or define something people ask about my native language, but I can always feel if something off. Thanks btw, nice to meet you.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 22:21:16 JST GNU Too

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     @me do you havea recommendation on how to Start learning Japanese? Having been born and raised in USA it had been discouraged from learning langauges other than English as a youth.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 22:24:29 JST GNU Too

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     @me one other thing on English in your post here. "Oh god" is considered impolite, at the very least. In my religion that would be called "using the Lord's name in vein" and it is considered a mortal sin. (If you are unfamiliar with the term, murder is also the same level, a mortoal sin).
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     ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人) (gnusocialjp@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 22:28:51 JST ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)

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     @gnu2 @me I think translation software is enough. You don't need or need to use a foreign language in your daily life.
     
     It doesn't have to be perfect. Since non-natives are deliberately adjusting it, I think that the native side should tolerate it.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Monday, 12-Dec-2022 22:31:09 JST GNU Too

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     @gnusocialjp @me but language is more than just translation. Its nuance, its culture. My oldest daughter wanted to travel to Japan, I told her we could take a trip after she proved she had learned Japanese. She started some Android ap, but gave up after it started to get hard (basically when they started doing sentances).
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 04:54:02 JST GNU Too

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     @gnusocialjp @me how many languages do you know?
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     ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人) (gnusocialjp@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 10:07:19 JST ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)

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     My native language is Japanese. I studied English and Chinese in my university class.
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     じえんとＰ (gentop@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-2022 10:40:39 JST じえんとＰ

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     • ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)
     @gnusocialjp my native language is Algonquian geographically speaking, but probably a horrid mix of gaelic agnlish, Dutch, and Norman as my ethnic language.
     I never learnt or know of any of them but one, I only was taught Anglish.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Dec-2022 10:16:36 JST GNU Too

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     • ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)
     @gnusocialjp yeah there's an old joke that goes something like : someone who speaks two languages is called bilingual and someone who speaks three is called trilingual, but what do you call someone who only speaks one language?  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  American. 
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     ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人) (gnusocialjp@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Dec-2022 12:53:39 JST ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)

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     @gnu2 What do you mean?
     
     > what do you call someone who only speaks one language?
     
     The answer is not American. In the world, Some people don't use English.
     
     I am not English native. I can understand Japanese perfectly. But I cannot understand English perfectly.
     Please use plain English, or you may use Japanese. I do not use difficult Japanese phrase to foreigner for communication. I want you to be considerate for foreigner (non English native, because you are English native).
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Dec-2022 15:42:33 JST 翠星石

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     @gnu2 I'm pretty sure most people can only speak one language so trying to single out "America" doesn't make much sense (you failed to differentiate between North and South America as well).
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 18-Dec-2022 19:53:44 JST ガーラ

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     @gnu2 I started learning Japanese in formal education, it was optional study. They used Minna no Nihongo (books) as materials in the class. At first, I used to write and learn in romanized Japanese, alphabet/latin letters, then Kana (Hiragana and Katakana). Kana has exact reading, I'd say it's easier to read than English. The most challenging one is Kanji, I learn it from Wanikani.com and Obenkyo (Android App). I have lots of learning materials but mostly served in Indonesian, only one has English version is NHK.or.jp. Many anime have uncommon expressions in daily life, but still a good source. I know the only site we can stream anime with Japanese (Kanji-Kana), romanized Japanese, and English subs at once, but not sure if it's really legal under its fair use (nonprofit, educational purpose).
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 18-Dec-2022 20:00:56 JST ガーラ

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     @gnu2 Is it general English or religion-based? In my religion, when forget something, it's better to praise god.
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 18-Dec-2022 20:56:43 JST ガーラ

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     • ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)
     @gnusocialjp Agree in some places.
     In the internet, mostly fine with translation software. Technology is getting better tho. But daily life depends on their business life. If work in international or multinational company, we may need to use foreign language at least English if not English natives. I mean, we may have them as friends and closer to our daily life (outside business). If we only want to know facts, then it's enough. Like @gnu2 said, language has something more.
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     ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人) (gnusocialjp@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 18-Dec-2022 21:04:11 JST ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)

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     @me @gnu2 yes. We know that language means more than that. But for me language is just a tool. Not the essence. Even a Japanese who is not good at English won the Nobel Prize.
     For example, making money and business are more important to me. It's a matter of priorities.
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 18-Dec-2022 21:18:46 JST ガーラ

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     @gnu2 @gnusocialjp I know Indonesian, Javanese, English, and a little Japanese, but speak only Indonesian (native). I can also speak a portion of Javanese (local) but only for people in below or same status/age. I never really speak English other than giving a presentation, most just writing.
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 18-Dec-2022 21:26:01 JST ガーラ

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     • ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)
     @gnusocialjp @gnu2 What do you think about people using unorganized language in business? My first impression would be unprofessional, lack of education.
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     ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人) (gnusocialjp@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 18-Dec-2022 21:32:09 JST ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)

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     @me What do you mean unorganized language? I think result is most important.
     
     Perfect language is useless if you can't get the job done. It doesn't matter if the language is not fluent, as long as the job is perfect. you just have to translate it.
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 18-Dec-2022 22:11:03 JST ガーラ

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     @gnusocialjp mixed word choices, informal and formal words, wrongly use words in context in business presentations, not just a communication between colleagues. I can't give an example but I'd know if people do in my native.
     
     Even I agree about result is the most important, but some people I know can't get rid the first impression easily. It's getting worse if present a suggestion, they would hardly trust it. But this case only if we speak same native, I've never been in formal situation with different natives.
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     ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人) (gnusocialjp@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Sunday, 18-Dec-2022 22:23:26 JST ぐぬ管 (GNU social JP管理人)

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     @me Thanks. I understood unorganized language.
     
     I think this (your question) is for non-native speakers.
     
     I think it depends on the case. If your coworkers or workplace values formality, it can be important. If there is a problem, there should be guidance. Since I am not a native speaker, I think people around me should consider and cooperate with me.
     
     If you are a native speaker, you need a certain amount of formality as a member of society.
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Monday, 19-Dec-2022 03:07:26 JST ガーラ

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     @gnusocialjp Yeah, thanks for sharing your views.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 07:22:05 JST GNU Too

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     @me @gnusocialjp @Suiseiseki @gentoP as a native English speaker, at least in my part of the world, I do not know of any native speaker who speaks formally, save perhaps high church services, yet many of my non-native speaking colleagues speak very formally, including many words and phrases that I have had to look up to learn what they mean. Granted many of my colleagues are Indian so one could argue whether or not they are native speakers. My understanding is other regions of the world may put significantly more emphasis formality than where I live.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 08:36:38 JST GNU Too

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     @Suiseiseki it's clearly a joke, perhaps the majority of the world population only speaks one language, but certainly the majority of educated people speak multiple, particularly outside of the United States. A person from the United States is referred to as an American. Only people who are being pedantic would try to claim Brazilians are American.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 11:30:53 JST GNU Too

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     @Suiseiseki it's clearly a joke, perhaps the majority of the world population only speaks one language, but certainly the majority of educated people speak multiple, particularly outside of the United States. A person from the United States is referred to as an American. Only people who are being pedantic would try to claim Brazilians are American.
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 11:30:53 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     Brazilians are American, as are all South, Central and North Americans. it's offensive to other Americans for USians to claim America only for themselves.
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 13:43:14 JST GNU Too

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     @lxo American is literally the only term used to describe the collective of people who live in the United States USians isn't a thing.
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 13:58:20 JST ガーラ

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     @gnu2 @gnusocialjp @Suiseiseki I think it's common if they speak only a little English. Are they speak English fluently but formally in non-formal situation? But realized they are Indian, so they also could be English native speakers. May I know, which state do you live?
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     ガーラ (me@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Tuesday, 27-Dec-2022 14:12:59 JST ガーラ

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     @gnu2 @lxo This is interesting. By dictionary, not only refer to America in the United States of America but also America as continent (North America, South America).
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     GNU Too (gnu2@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Friday, 06-Jan-2023 17:48:02 JST GNU Too

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     @me @lxo and if you ever have to take out a dictionary you have already lost. You can be Indonesian and Asian or Brazilian and South American, and I can be American and North American.