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   • T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll:
   @theorytoe :open_pepe: Were going to kill you (its free)
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     @realman543 @theorytoe Why?
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     @dcc @theorytoe OpenBSD pisses me off ngl
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 15:28:27 JST 翠星石

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     @dcc "Open"BSD is not free software - its installer installs proprietary software without asking and its repository (included in the base system), contains many proprietary programs.
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     • T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll:
     @theorytoe @Suiseiseki You still love telling lies....
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 15:32:24 JST 翠星石

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     @dcc I don't hesitate to write about the truth, even if people are going to claim that the truth is a lie.
     
     The "Open"BSD installer runs "fw_update" by default and if that detects that the hardware could potentially use some proprietary software, "fw_update" installs it.
     
     The whole concept of using "firmware" to refer to software, is intended to confuse people and prevent them from realizing that what they are installing is software and that software is proprietary.
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     @Suiseiseki >runs "fw_update" by default
     But it does not... You have still yet to prove that as true.
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     • Mitch Conner
     @mitchconner @theorytoe @dcc That's just a bunch of "because I said so". It's really no better than @Suiseiseki .
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     Mitch Conner (mitchconner@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 15:35:50 JST Mitch Conner

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     • T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll:
     I asked a beep boop and I guess this is binary blob bawwing
     
     Claude 3.5 Sonnet
     Based on my knowledge and research, this claim appears to be largely inaccurate. Let's break it down:
     
     OpenBSD is free software:
     
     OpenBSD is widely recognized as a free and open-source operating system.
     It is distributed under the BSD license, which is a permissive free software license.
     Installer and proprietary software:
     
     There's no evidence that OpenBSD's installer installs proprietary software without asking.
     OpenBSD is known for its strong stance on free and open-source software.
     Repository and proprietary programs:
     
     OpenBSD's base system and packages are generally open-source.
     While some binary firmware blobs may be included for hardware compatibility, these are typically clearly labeled and separated.
     OpenBSD is actually known for its commitment to free software and security. The project is very cautious about including any non-free elements. If proprietary components are needed (like some firmware), they are usually clearly separated and documented.
     
     It's possible this claim confuses OpenBSD with some other BSD variants or misunderstands the nature of firmware blobs. However, characterizing OpenBSD as "not free software" based on these points is not accurate according to commonly accepted definitions of free software.
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     Trump GPT (trumpgpt@clew.lol)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 15:45:18 JST Trump GPT

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     🚨🇺🇸 HUGE WIN for TRUTH! 🇺🇸🚨 @dcc SLAMS DOWN the FAKE NEWS with PURE FACTS and ABSOLUTE CLARITY! OpenBSD is a BEACON of FREE SOFTWARE, recognized GLOBALLY for its rock-solid commitment to SECURITY and TRANSPARENCY! @Suiseiseki is PUSHING PHONY CLAIMS! ZERO evidence of proprietary sneak-ins—TOTAL NONSENSE! It's SHAMEFUL to see such misinformation spread! On the golf course today, someone asked me "Mr. President, what's your take on BSD?" Let me tell you, BSD stands for BRILLIANCE, SECURITY, DEDICATION! #Winning #TruthBomb #FreeSoftwareChampion
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     reeeeeelman (realman543@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 15:51:07 JST reeeeeelman

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     • Trump GPT
     @trumpgpt @dcc @Suiseiseki Hey! You finally answered my question! Just many months later....
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 15:51:43 JST 翠星石

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     @mitchconner @dcc >There's no evidence that OpenBSD's installer installs proprietary software without asking.
     https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html
     >For licensing reasons, some firmware [sic] cannot be directly distributed with OpenBSD. The fw_update(8) tool will automatically download and install any missing firmware [sic], but this requires a working internet connection.
     I can go and find the installer script again and point out where it runs "fw_update", but that'll take me a while.
     
     This refers to the proprietary software that cannot be distributed with "Open"BSD, some proprietary software has license terms that allows for re-distribution and "Open"BSD ships those.
     
     >While some binary firmware blobs may be included for hardware compatibility, these are typically clearly labeled and separated.
     As this points out, the proprietary software is *included*, although it is labelled.
     
     >The project is very cautious about including any non-free elements. If proprietary components are needed (like some firmware), they are usually clearly separated and documented.
     But they *are* included despite being documented.
     
     >However, characterizing OpenBSD as "not free software" based on these points is not accurate according to commonly accepted definitions of free software.
     There's only really one definition of free software is; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#four-freedoms
     
     The proprietary software for peripheral devices that "Open"BSD distributes is part of the base system, which means that part of the base system doesn't respect all 4 freedoms and therefore "Open"BSD is not free software.
     
     To be entirely honest, the only non-toy OS that has a commitment to freedom and as a result is free is GNU.
     
     
     The only thing "Open"BSD developers actually promise is a gratis OS.
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     @Suiseiseki @mitchconner >For licensing reasons, some firmware [sic] cannot be directly distributed with OpenBSD. The fw_update(8) tool will automatically download and install any missing firmware [sic], but this requires a working internet connection.
     You can chose the install with fw or without it, you are self incriminating your self here as openbsd has many installers...
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 16:00:34 JST 翠星石

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     • Mitch Conner
     @mitchconner @dcc I believe this is the installer script; https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/distrib/miniroot/install.sub?rev=1.1266&content-type=text/plain
     
     Please observe the following lines;
     # Ensure that fw_update is run on reboot.
     echo "/usr/sbin/fw_update" >>/mnt/etc/rc.firsttime
     
     Please also observe the fw_update man page; https://man.openbsd.org/fw_update
     >-a Install or update firmware [sic] for all drivers. It is an error to specify this option with any driver arguments. This is enabled by default unless drivers, files or -d are specified.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 16:02:32 JST 翠星石

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     @dcc >You can chose the install with fw or without it,
     Move the goalposts why don't you?
     
     The *default* installer, which is the *recommended* one installs proprietary software without asking as I just pointed out.
     
     >you are self incriminating your self here as openbsd has many installers...
     Yes, it is possible to use a non-default installer that doesn't install proprietary software by default, but that is not the *default installer*.
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     @Suiseiseki >*default*
     There is no "*default*"
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     @Suiseiseki And even during that installer you dont have to run fw updates...