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   feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:24:19 JST feld
   How many people complaining on social media about Mozilla have donated > $1000 to Mozilla?
   
   
   Zero?
   
   
   That's what I thought
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:27:59 JST 

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     @feld Why would they donate a single dime to Mozilla "We need more than deplatforming" Foundation?
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:34:11 JST feld

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     @mint if you aren't willing to fund their existence you have no right to complain about how they get their funding and what their product roadmap looks like.
     
     Most outspoken open source proponents these days are just toxic personalities who beg, scream, and demand results and nobody should listen to their opinions on anything. They want to pretend these projects are akin to a government run social program that should serve their needs.
     
     It's like crying about the local food bank closing and how that's going to impact your community. Oh wait you never donated to the food bank before? Huh, shocking.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:35:37 JST feld

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     @lucy tech workers for the most part are not living paycheck to paycheck. They are often really bad at managing their own finances though, as evidenced by their useless expensive action figure collection and countless computers they don't need.
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     :blobcatflower: (methyltheobromine@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:35:38 JST :blobcatflower:

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     @feld normal people don't just having 1K laying around
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:35:50 JST 

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     @feld Even ignoring their agenda for a second, it's clear the sole reason Mozilla still exists as an entity is to seep Google's antitrust money. They don't care about community lest they wouldn't have shutdown community forums in favor of invasive telemetry resulting in the browser performing more and more like Chrome with different skin. Perhaps the only party that keeps it in check is Tor team who are cooperating in order to build their browser bundle.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:44:32 JST 

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     @feld 1. Any resident of a nation with free speech protections has a right to complain about whatever they want.
     2. There are no guarantees the funds would go to an actual browser development and not some bullshit like diversity campaigns, 10px margin increases in interface or an useless service that's due to shutdown in a couple months.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:45:57 JST feld

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     @mint so then I guess it's time for people to SFTU and write the code themselves and donate infrastructure hosting too. Because they're not gonna be happy with how things look if Mozilla completely disappears and the entire browser project falls apart.
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     Jonah Aragon (jonah@mastodon.neat.computer)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:47:46 JST Jonah Aragon

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     @feld 🙋♂️

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:48:24 JST feld

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     @jonah one of the few who understands, it's nice to see
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:50:08 JST feld

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     If people want open source to not just survive but actually thrive I think it would be wise to consider making it a part of any major tech union movement. That would be a good way to extract some capital to funnel back into the core foundation of what these companies stand upon.
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      (mint@ryona.agency)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:50:55 JST 

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     @feld For the most part I've wrangled it into doing what I want, yes. I wish I didn't have to, but my expectations of nice things have long withered.
     >how things look if Mozilla completely disappears and the entire browser project falls apart
     That would be an improvement. When MySQL got Oracle'd, we got MariaDB, same with Open/LibreOffice. I have no doubts a community fork of Firefox is possible to emerge when shit finally hits the fan.
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     bara (bara@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:55:46 JST bara

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     @feld i make 11 united states dollars a day working 12 hour shift in a poisonous frog goo extraction factory
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:55:59 JST feld

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     @bara they'll never automate that job, that's for sure
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     bara (bara@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:58:03 JST bara

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     @feld you get more goo out by hands with no gloves on that's for sure
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 04:59:25 JST feld

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     @mint MariaDB is worse, and now that's dead because Monty sold it again to a venture capitalist lol
     
     
     I think one of the most difficult parts of a community fork of Firefox will be the build infrastructure and hosting the binaries. Nobody's gonna want to support Firefox-sized downloads that happen millions of times per day. (200M users * ~50MB for a patch)
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 05:49:17 JST feld

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     @jonah @mint you'd think Mozilla would have already explored various methods to shrink their infrastructure footprint as much as possible. Why aren't they doing this already?
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     Jonah Aragon (jonah@mastodon.neat.computer)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 05:49:18 JST Jonah Aragon

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     @feld @mint I feel like the community would pretty quickly rediscover how bittorrent works, even M$ basically does it with updates these days.

     I'm also in the Mozilla should just disappear at this point camp tbh

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 05:58:09 JST feld

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     @jonah @mint well, let's look at the data. Who is footing the bill for Firefox's updates?
     
     The update data is served from aus5.mozilla.org. There's also archive.mozilla.org, ftp.mozilla.org, etc.
     
     This is all hosted on Google Cloud. Is Mozilla paying standard rates for their infra at Google? Doubt it. Google's probably funding this too, which is why Mozilla hasn't cared to change it. They don't need to care. (yet, but maybe soon)
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     Jonah Aragon (jonah@mastodon.neat.computer)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 05:58:10 JST Jonah Aragon

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     @feld @mint "Why aren't they doing this already" is practically Mozilla's mantra

     edit: I think it's obvious that Mozilla should just hire me to make all decisions since my opinions are exactly what everyone on the internet wants ;)

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 06:37:16 JST feld

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     @haui idk, I have doubts. What happened to the torrent revolution we were promised? I remember when it seemed like everything was supposed to move that direction and almost nothing did.
     
     My suspicion is that it became apparent that it fails too often in restricted networks and buggy NATs so it's not really worth doing at scale
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     haui (haui@mastodon.giftedmc.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 06:37:20 JST haui

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     @feld it would definitely make sense to p2p this like peertube does.

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     hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 06:52:25 JST hazlin no plap pirate

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     @mischievoustomato @feld @mint
     Earlier today on my TL, I saw someone post a fundraising email they just got from Mozilla, and it was to raise money for more AI integration... which no one wants.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 06:52:25 JST feld

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     @hazlin @mischievoustomato @mint > which no one wants
     
     As usual people make this claim with only anecdotal evidence. Some of us understand and even like the technology for what it can do. I have no issues with them doing this as long as they're not spending money on any licensing to ship access to an LLM for free. But let me connect it to my own API or let me use another service I already have access to? Hell yeah just put it in, it doesn't cost anyone anything
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     hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 06:52:26 JST hazlin no plap pirate

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     @mischievoustomato @feld @mint
     > There are no guarantees the funds would go to an actual browser development and not some bullshit like diversity campaigns
     
     This.
     
     I have given to free software projects before. But, Mozilla has always been shitting their money into things I don't want.
     
     When people aren't using their funding correctly, all you can do is withhold.
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     Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra! (mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 06:52:27 JST Johnny Peligro, now on Mitra!

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     > Any resident of a nation with free speech protections has a right to complain about whatever they want.

     anyone can complain about anything, but whether those complaints matter and are taken into account is a whole different thing

     @mint @feld

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 07:05:45 JST feld

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     @hazlin @mischievoustomato @mint All I'm saying is the "nobody wants this" claim is a lie. Stop speaking for other people.
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     hazlin no plap pirate (hazlin@shortstacksran.ch)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 07:05:46 JST hazlin no plap pirate

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     @feld @mischievoustomato @mint
     What does, YOU wanting it, have to do with ME funding it?
     
     Pretty sure nothing.
     
     People like the Firefox, they like that it is different than Chrome, they aren't donating because Mozilla seems determined to ruin it, and they are complaining because that is bad for them.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 19-Sep-2024 14:17:09 JST 翠星石

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     @feld >outspoken open source proponents
     GNU/Jihad against "open source" and all other forms of proprietary software!!!!