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   Shauna GM (shauna@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 16:28:26 JST Shauna GM

   I'm not a Mozilla insider or anything but I took a look at their bylaws and afaict they have a self-perpetuating board, which means they're not formally accountable to anyone.

   I prefer a member elected board (like the PSF has). It's hard for leadership to stray too far from member values when they're elected by members.

   I know too many self-perpetuating boards who destroyed what they were supposed to be safeguarding, or even enabled abuse.

   Governance matters.

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     Ryan Lee Sipes ⚡🦅 (ryanleesipes@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 16:29:59 JST Ryan Lee Sipes ⚡🦅

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     @shauna add another wrinkle and MZLA (the Mozilla entity that houses Thunderbird) - has a co-governance model between a board and a Council, elected from contributors. This gives the community immense power (we can't approve a yearly budget without the Council's input, for instance). While it has been hard to have so many different stakeholders, I believe it has kept us honest and true to the mission of great open source communication software that champions open standards.

     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this.
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     Baessito :Ryyca:☭🇧🇷🇺🇳🇵🇸 (pbaesse@ursal.zone)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 17:40:30 JST Baessito :Ryyca:☭🇧🇷🇺🇳🇵🇸

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     @shauna very well spoken. Now their bad decisions makes a lot more sense.

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     Baessito :Ryyca:☭🇧🇷🇺🇳🇵🇸 (pbaesse@ursal.zone)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 17:43:58 JST Baessito :Ryyca:☭🇧🇷🇺🇳🇵🇸

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     • Ryan Lee Sipes ⚡🦅

     @ryanleesipes @shauna amazing achievement! I would love to read this interview! If you could that or something like that, it would be amazing!

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     Ryan Lee Sipes ⚡🦅 (ryanleesipes@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 17:43:59 JST Ryan Lee Sipes ⚡🦅

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     @shauna absolutely, I'd love to share our story. When we started doing things this way (after Thunderbird nearly died), folks were skeptical of this model. But we've seen revenue grow 1108% under it, and we've grown our daily active users by more than 1 million on average in the past year alone. So I'd say that something is working right.

     Ping me at ryan@thunderbird.net

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     Ryan Lee Sipes ⚡🦅 (ryanleesipes@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 17:44:00 JST Ryan Lee Sipes ⚡🦅

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     @shauna we're a subsidiary. But we have our own distinct board and bylaws.

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     Shauna GM (shauna@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 17:44:00 JST Shauna GM

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     • Ryan Lee Sipes ⚡🦅

     @ryanleesipes gotcha, so there's accountability and community governance in this subset of the MF. Actually I'd love to interview you (& anyone else involved in MZLA who'd be up for it) about your model sometime.

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     Shauna GM (shauna@social.coop)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 17:44:01 JST Shauna GM

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     • Ryan Lee Sipes ⚡🦅

     @ryanleesipes is MZLA part of Mozilla Foundation or legally separate?

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     Jonathan Mergy (mergy@self.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 17:44:38 JST Jonathan Mergy

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     @shauna my wife won't let me wear the shirt anymore because it's so old and has holes in it. But, the idea I contributed to decades ago is long gone.

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     Baessito :Ryyca:☭🇧🇷🇺🇳🇵🇸 (pbaesse@ursal.zone)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Sep-2024 17:44:38 JST Baessito :Ryyca:☭🇧🇷🇺🇳🇵🇸

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     • Jonathan Mergy

     @mergy @shauna I hear you. I feel it too...