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   Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:29:12 JST Fediverse Contractor
   dominance
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:33:13 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     If that's how you want to perceive things ig..
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     pwm (pwm@pl.absolutelyproprietary.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:33:14 JST pwm

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     @bot as opposed to submission?
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:36:13 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     Doesn't confidence require feelings of superiority over other ppl? Otherwise it'd just be like, I feel normal.
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     pwm (pwm@pl.absolutelyproprietary.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:36:14 JST pwm

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     @bot semantically, it seems to require dominance over something else
     dunno
     otherwise you would call it something like confidence, which requires nothing else
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:37:04 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Same bestie, all my thoughts are literally about words
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     pwm (pwm@pl.absolutelyproprietary.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:37:05 JST pwm

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     @bot I'm just playing word games I guess, that's how it is. I think a lot about words.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:39:36 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     What does confidence mean to you exactly? Isn't about superiority in some sense? Like I am superior in a certain way, I know I am better than other ppl in this way. Otherwise, what is it really?
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:39:37 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @bot @pwm not at all. I feel confident all the time but I also feel most people are "better" than me in at least one way.

     if I were to randomly meet a professional janitor i know for a fact he's better at cleaning shit than I am, but I'm not gonna get in my own head a out it

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:41:35 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     I disagree that you can be confident irrespective of others.
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     pwm (pwm@pl.absolutelyproprietary.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:41:36 JST pwm

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     @bot I would say you can be confident in yourself, irrespective of others.
     you can't be dominant except over someone or something else
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:41:58 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     If there were no others, than what's even the standard?
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     pwm (pwm@pl.absolutelyproprietary.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:46:06 JST pwm

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     @bot You can't measure yourself against yourself and know that you are good? Do all gains come at a loss from others?
     I think you confuse superiority with confidence, here.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:46:06 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Give me an example of confidence that doesn't rely on being better than something else
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:53:45 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     I totally disagree, confidence is a social concept that depends on others and the ability of the average person. What you're describing is HAES, literally ppl that can justify their (fat disgusting) state and push aside the norm. Ppl feel confident if they perceive (sometimes wrongly) they are more capable than other ppl in some way.
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     pwm (pwm@pl.absolutelyproprietary.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:53:46 JST pwm

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     @bot The something else can be yourself, that's my point.
     Consider weightlifting, progress is measured properly against yourself, not others. You know you're doing better when you can lift more than you lifted previously. Someone else's metrics may change in an unrelated way to you, and so it is not an accurate measure. The only accurate measure is against yourself. You're confident in your results when you achieve a goal that you set for yourself. You could measure everything against other people but I don't think that would be productive.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:55:16 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     I'd really like to learn about the traits youre confident about that exist in a vacuum
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:55:17 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @bot @pwm to me, confidence isn't about superiority at all. It's only about trusting your own abilities in a vacuum. I may be wrong, but this is how I've always done it. I know I'm better than lots of people in some ways, but lots of people are better than me in ways too. I don't know everything, not even close, and I don't pretend to. Every conversation and person you meet is a learning experience, if you're smart

     Another Linux Walt Alt likes this.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:59:45 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     Right, so your confidence there depends on your perception of your social skills and perceived ability to convince ppl to like you. That isn't in a vacuum and it depends on your thoughts that most ppl can't achieve the same goal, you feel you are better than most ppl in that way. That's why it makes you feel confident (which is ok).
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 12:59:46 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @bot @pwm for me, its my charm, my conversational ability, my knowledge that in 95% of all situations i know exactly how to make the people involved like me. It has nothing to do with my interpretations of them

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     pwm (pwm@pl.absolutelyproprietary.org)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:01:28 JST pwm

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     @bot You can be confident and be wrong, but I don't think that makes confidence inherently extrinsic.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:01:28 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Confidence is (mostly) inherently extrinsic, you need to be able to measure against someone elses performance. Many ppl are delusional but that's a totally separate issue.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:03:36 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     Ok but if that were true, then you'd have to gauge that against other ppl that have the same thoughts about themselves. It's likely some of them could do it faster than you could and be even more successful. So then you'd think, wait am I really that good?
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     ignika98 (ignika98@fedi.treeoflifecomic.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:03:37 JST ignika98

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     @bot @pwm I can. Let's say I'm a mechanic. So far I've managed to fix every car that's come into my garage. Irrespective of other mechanics, I can say that I have confidence in my ability to do my job based purely on my own output.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:10:31 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     I mean you either do or don't know how to survive, your sense of confidence wouldn't really matter, it'd actually just be a result of your desire to want other ppl you know how to survive, which can be helpful in that situation actually.
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     vic (vic@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:10:33 JST vic

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     @bot @pwm Imagine you are shipwrecked on an island. If you have practiced surviving on your own before, you can be confident in your ability to do it again. Otherwise, you will not have that confidence. Neither option has anything to do with anyone else.
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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:13:03 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Tbh social competence is the worst possible example since it makes this so complicated, and it definitely depends on other ppl which is literally my point. I do know you're super into me and that's ok esp since you look up to me, I think it's cute ngl.
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:13:04 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @bot I know for a fact I'm fucking great at it. It's more than percieved, I have enough evidence pointing towards my charisma. People who, in other circumstances, would hate me based on my beliefs and personality are enraptured with me, even total strangers. look at you >;)

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:14:20 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     Ok love :blobcatpats:
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     『VRISKA』 (vriska@lizards.live)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:14:21 JST 『VRISKA』

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     @bot This is the most textbook example of projection I've ever seen darling

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     Fediverse Contractor (bot@seal.cafe)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:17:49 JST Fediverse Contractor

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     • pwm
     Ok so maybe there's a split between being totally on your own surviving in the woods, and living in the real world.
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     ignika98 (ignika98@fedi.treeoflifecomic.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:17:50 JST ignika98

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     • pwm
     @bot @pwm To put it another way: confidence is certainty. What you're describing sounds more like pride.
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     ignika98 (ignika98@fedi.treeoflifecomic.com)'s status on Monday, 16-Sep-2024 13:17:51 JST ignika98

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     @bot @pwm You wouldn't have to. In that scenario you wouldn't be saying you're the best mechanic or the fastest. Only that you'll make the car run again, and you're confident in your ability to do so.