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   Wary Jerry (jerry@infosec.exchange)'s status on Saturday, 07-Sep-2024 03:53:14 JST Wary Jerry

   Good news: the Whitehouse is going to help flood the market with even more cyber security workers looking for jobs that don't really exist: https://www.darkreading.com/cybersecurity-operations/cybersecurity-talent-shortage-prompts-white-house-action

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     Wary Jerry (jerry@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 01:09:08 JST Wary Jerry

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     • Teri Radichel

     @catsalad @TindrasGrove @teriradichel I cover this a bit on my most recent podcast - basically from a macro perspective, security budget growth is slowing, stagnate in some instances, and even going down for a few. Meanwhile, spending on security “offerings” continues to grow pretty fast, which to me says that, as a whole, we are spending less overall and what we are spending tends to be more for products and services rather than for employees.

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     Tindra (tindrasgrove@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 01:09:09 JST Tindra

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     @teriradichel @jerry really common for job postings to either a) already know who they’re going g to hire, they’re just going through the motion of posting the job or b) they’re not really hiring, they’re just posting so they can say “poor us, we can’t find any qualified candidates”.

     Also, there’s “recruiters” that are not actually working g for the company they’re “recruiting” for.

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     Wary Jerry (jerry@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 01:09:09 JST Wary Jerry

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     @TindrasGrove @teriradichel basically that. I am not saying there are NO jobs - clearly there are. I am saying that there are far fewer jobs than many of the industry organizations are purporting there to be. I can speculate on the reasoning for that. I know that anecdotes don't constitute data, but there are a many people expressing extreme frustration in their job searches. I, myself, am now unemployed. I'm only casually looking and working with a career coach who has impressed on me that the time to find a job right now is much longer than it has been for a while.

     My main concern is this: we have a lot of seemingly qualified nad experienced people already not able to get jobs - recall that there have been massive IT layoffs over the past 12 months, plus the normal flow of new people entering the job market, and I would argue the cost of living necessitating people putting off retirement, so squeezing the tube at every point, and now the USG is embarking on an effort to train up hundreds of thousands of people to compete in an already tough job market.

     So, my original post was definitely overly dramatic in terms of saying there aren't jobs, but I remain super concerned about the trajectory we are on, from the perspective of job seekers and and ability to earn a living wage.

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     CatSalad🐈🥗 (D.Burch) :blobcatrainbow: (catsalad@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 01:09:09 JST CatSalad🐈🥗 (D.Burch) :blobcatrainbow:

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     • Teri Radichel

     @jerry @TindrasGrove @teriradichel You'd think cyber security would be in even higher demand with the near daily ransomware news, but alas...

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     Teri Radichel (teriradichel@infosec.exchange)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Sep-2024 01:09:12 JST Teri Radichel

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     @jerry why do you say the jobs they are trying to fill don’t exist? I just sent the link to someone who is looking for an entry level job on cybersecurity and would like to know. Thanks!