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   Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 07:12:54 JST Paul Cantrell

   • Laffy

   What @GottaLaff said.

   When the second-worst people in the world say of the worst people in the world, “Even •we• can’t stand these assholes,” that is in fact useful information — and yes, I’ll happily take the win of the several dozen people nationwide whose minds it will change.

   This does not mean I’m donating to Liz Cheney’s whatever. It is not about who gets to be friends with me on the playground. It just means I’ll take the win, because it is a win. https://mastodon.social/@GottaLaff/113081559897334225

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     Paul Cantrell (inthehands@hachyderm.io)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 11:47:53 JST Paul Cantrell

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     • Laffy
     • Dan Seitz
     • Infrogmation

     @Infrogmation @GottaLaff @Dseitz
     I mean, I’d say that photo kind of proves the correct part of everyone’s point here: Stalin was a bastard, and did horrendous things, both before and after WWII; opposing Hitler in no way redeems him as heroic or forgivable. Also, I’m really, really, really glad Stalin eventually did oppose Hitler: the Nazis were defeated in very large part with Russian sacrifice at levels that defy imagining, because Stalin. So…yeah.

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     Laffy (gottalaff@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 11:47:54 JST Laffy

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     • Dan Seitz

     @Dseitz @inthehands Again, I've seen nobody say they're "good people" but that she did the right thing... and Cheney voting for Harris is the right thing, not opportunism.

     FFS, sometimes people we strongly disagree with do the right thing and we can appreciate that.

     What possible good comes out of bashing them for past policies and behaviors when RIGHT NOW matters so much?

     See ya.

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     Infrogmation (infrogmation@mastodon.online)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 11:47:54 JST Infrogmation

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     • Dan Seitz

     @GottaLaff @Dseitz @inthehands

     History teaches that in existential fights against fascism, the only purity test for potential allies is "do you want to fight against the fascists?".

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     Laffy (gottalaff@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 11:47:55 JST Laffy

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     • Dan Seitz

     @Dseitz She did a huge amount for the J6 Committee, so her work, her WORK, was heroic. But I have yet to see anyone call her a noble hero, just someone who's done the right thing... esp knowing how hard the Trumps will go after her. @inthehands

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     Dan Seitz (dseitz@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 11:47:55 JST Dan Seitz

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     • Laffy

     @GottaLaff @inthehands

     That's the go-to narrative of corporate media coverage. And I'm glad she did the J6 work, but this guy was putting kids in cages and worse from the get go. The signs were glaringly obvious and she refused to see them until it was her ass in the crosshairs.

     Same with Jeff Flake, Mitt Romney, etc. They're not heroes or good people. They're just opportunists who stepped on their own rake, and if they do the right thing, great, but they're still opportunists.

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     Dan Seitz (dseitz@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 05-Sep-2024 11:47:56 JST Dan Seitz

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     • Laffy

     @inthehands @GottaLaff

     What bothers me is the noble hero narrative. If she hadn't gone under the bus she'd gleefully be throwing the rest of us under it.