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   miauz genyau (mia@movsw.0x0.st)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 22:34:11 JST miauz genyau

   fucked up world where having a brain with exceptional pattern recognition and situational awareness plus the ability to absorb knowledge about completely unfamiliar and dissimilar topics like a sponge, synthesize unconventional ideas and solutions from it, and laser-focus on a task indefinitely if it’s immediately rewarding is a serious disadvantage and considered a disorder rather than a highly sought-after trait on the job market

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     Otto Rask (ojrask@piipitin.fi)'s status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 22:34:10 JST Otto Rask

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     @mia ironically all "AI" shills are selling their snake oil with the same arguments of pattern recognition, knowledge aggregation, and creativity skills as a solution to all kinds to things.

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     anemone@ebiverse.social's status on Sunday, 01-Sep-2024 22:34:43 JST anemone

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     @mia@movsw.0x0.st because most 99% of the work that the economy wants to get done is incredibly lame and tedious and thus not ideal for that type of person

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     miauz genyau (mia@movsw.0x0.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 02:46:24 JST miauz genyau

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     • Eva Winterschön

     @winterschon it’s sorta hidden between the lines but one of my main gripes is that the positive qualities of AD(H)D are not considered reason enough to make accomodations for the ways it makes you incompatible with traditional work schedules and expectations but better in situations where more routine-oriented people struggle
     
     we’re mostly just recognized for our poor work attitude (needing frequent distractions to be able to perform mentally challenging yet unsatisfying work), our unreliable time management (because how well we can function fluctuates wildly and makes estimates and planning nearly impossible), our poor communication skills (because a lifetime of guilt tripping and blame has fueled a vicious inner critic and we get anxious about talking to superiors about our workload or deadlines), and so on and so forth.
     
     even WITH medication, these are still a problem, and that needs to be recognized. medication can improve task salience, time management, context switching and emotional stability somewhat, but it doesn’t make us normal.

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     Eva Winterschön (winterschon@mastodon.bsd.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 02:46:25 JST Eva Winterschön

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     @mia You've only listed the occasionally beneficial qualities of properly medicated ADHD, while having left off all of the very real and ever-present difficulties that it brings to daily life with or without adequate medication coverage.

     Are you simply going to ignore the core qualities which define the condition's disabilty inducing parameters?

     Remind me how wonderful those qualities are for the work place without the necessary medication to maintain order within the otherwise chaotic circumstances of neurocognitive dissaray, all resulting from an imblalance of neurotransmitter activation and transporter regulation. It is a neurological disorder which is often comorbid with an array of equally concerning and debilitating issues.

     ADHD is a serious condition which requires serious medical care and often-times multifaceted treatment modalities. It's not just trivialities with fun and games about special super-powers.

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     miauz genyau (mia@movsw.0x0.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 02:48:27 JST miauz genyau

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     @winterschon i’d also argue that in many cases, there’s a lot of overlap between AD(H)D and C-PTSD, particularly early childhood trauma, because the stress experienced in those early years is significant enough to affect brain development in such ways.
     
     this also needs more recognition. emotional abuse and neglect by adults (parents in particular) is a fucking epidemic, and ritalin is often abused because the child’s emotional distress at home and in school goes completely unrecognized

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     miauz genyau (mia@movsw.0x0.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 02:48:29 JST miauz genyau

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     • Eva Winterschön

     @winterschon in my experience everyday functioning also improves significantly when all this is accounted for, both with and without medication (i didn’t get diagnosed until i was in my 30s), because the baseline stress is just that much lower

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     UpLateGeek (uplategeek@bitbang.social)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 02:48:38 JST UpLateGeek

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     @mia the worst thing for me is when people don’t realise this and bug me with something different every 5 minutes, but still expect me to actually make progress on the thing I’m trying to concentrate on!

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     miauz genyau (mia@movsw.0x0.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 04:32:11 JST miauz genyau

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     • Eva Winterschön

     @bobdobberson @winterschon because “anti-authoritarian” is a bad way to frame and describe what is often essentially a defense mechanism acquired through trauma, and thus generally not even intentional
     
     they don’t just grow up with poor role models for authority figures, they grow up with no one to trust. things are much more nuanced.

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     Pope Bob (bobdobberson@dobbs.town)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 04:32:12 JST Pope Bob

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     • Eva Winterschön

     @mia what is an awful take? You seem to be agreeing with what the article says.

     Children with childhoods full of emotional abuse and neglect often have a poor role model for authority figure, and seems likely that would produce more anti-authoritarian children.

     @winterschon

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     miauz genyau (mia@movsw.0x0.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 04:32:13 JST miauz genyau

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     @bobdobberson @winterschon this is an awful take
     
     people become anti-authoritarian because from an early age their trust has been broken by everyone they depended on, especially their parents. i’ve said it before but there’s significant overlap between C-PTSD and AD(H)D struggles and brain development issues.
     
     and every person with AD(H)D i’ve talked to had a childhood full of emotional abuse and neglect. i don’t think that’s a coincidence.

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     Pope Bob (bobdobberson@dobbs.town)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 04:32:15 JST Pope Bob

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     @mia found this article recently. Might help explain some things.

     https://www.madinamerica.com/2012/02/why-anti-authoritarians-are-diagnosed-as-mentally-ill/

     @winterschon

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 05:05:55 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @mia @bobdobberson @winterschon I'd say even the role model thing is bullshit (and likely political garbage), it's not a problem of having good or bad models. It's a problem of awful parenting and teaching.
     You could have the greatest models it doesn't matters if they're negletive at best, even a poor role model that properly cares would be much better.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 05:15:10 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @bobdobberson @winterschon @mia
     Made me check just in case.
     
     role model: A person who serves as an example, whose behavior is emulated by others.
     
     That's not what a parent is, a role model can be your friends, siblings, …
     And while you could argue that a bad parent is a bad role model, I'd tend to disagree given that role model is more a group/social-circle kind of status.
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     Pope Bob (bobdobberson@dobbs.town)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 05:15:11 JST Pope Bob

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     • Eva Winterschön

     @lanodan parents are role models.

     Awful parents are awful role models.

     @winterschon @mia

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 05:18:39 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @bobdobberson @winterschon @mia "it takes a village to raise a child"
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     Pope Bob (bobdobberson@dobbs.town)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 05:18:40 JST Pope Bob

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     @lanodan ok, then for the matter of pedantics or to handle your non-native english speaking, let's be sure to add "parents" to what I've said.

     To believe that children do not emulate their parents is a little baffling.

     @winterschon @mia

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     miauz genyau (mia@movsw.0x0.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Sep-2024 05:40:16 JST miauz genyau

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     @bobdobberson @lanodan @winterschon i certainly didn’t emulate my parents or other adults in my early childhood, and i’m not doing it now. i did what i thought would get them to show me some care instead of neglect or abuse.

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