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   anna (navi@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 00:29:37 JST anna
   rust does a breaking change that affects only a few crates
   
   in a sane ecosystem, this would involve distros updating the packages for those few crates
   
   but in the world we live in this not only makes packages that depend on those crates fail to build, but also we have to patch dependencies for every package that breaks, one-by-one.
   
   what a great ecosystem huh.
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     lumi :blobcatnom: :blobcatflower: (lumi@snug.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 00:29:36 JST lumi :blobcatnom: :blobcatflower:

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     @navi the rust ecosystem is so ugh: making it interoperate with anything is icky, crates.io is horrible (centralized, does not allow deletion of crates, etc), proc macros are not sandboxed, build.rs has unrestricted side effects, etc...
     
     at least there is a proposal to allow deleting crates, with some restrictions...
     
     still doesn't address the issue of malicious crates being uploaded, though, which is much worse than just a crate getting deleted. i feel they're really focusing on the wrong issues
     
     also, why the heck are they using discord. they're a free software project, using discord is just embarrassing. fuck discord

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     anna (navi@social.vlhl.dev)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 00:30:06 JST anna

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     • lumi :blobcatnom: :blobcatflower:
     @lumi "good language with an awful ecosystem" is what i always say when people ask me about rust
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     lumi :blobcatnom: :blobcatflower: (lumi@snug.moe)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 00:30:07 JST lumi :blobcatnom: :blobcatflower:

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     @navi it often feels so weird to have such negative feelings towards my favorite programming language, but here we are...

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     nina (q66@blahaj.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 00:35:33 JST nina

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     @navi been saying this for years but the response always ranges from oblivious indifference to "why do you hate memory safety"

     the issue kinda becomes way more obvious as soon as you deal with any kind of "weird" scenario (e.g. niche archs, cross-compiling, etc.) because it makes all the issues most people (i.e. x86_64 linux/mac) don't usually see bubble up

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     nina (q66@blahaj.social)'s status on Monday, 26-Aug-2024 00:36:08 JST nina

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     • lumi :blobcatnom: :blobcatflower:

     @navi @lumi the language has its issues too (every time i have to dig up where something comes from in a hellish spaghetti of trait hierarchies i wish i didn't, and it's overall a bit too symbol-soupy for my taste; all this results in reliance on various tooling where i normally wouldn't have to) but the ecosystem is the main problem yea

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