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the teacher can never keep up with the top 15% in terms of keeping things for them to do which are on a standard grading path.
6-8 kid classrooms are infeasible for public education.
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The only way public "education" works is buy industrializing education, and that means jamming 20+ kids in a room.
The whole process has such a high overhead that if you use 6-8 kid rooms, it's actually cheaper just to hire teachers that come to a house and the neighborhood kids all go next door.
In that model you can even teach anything but the brightest kids under 17. In that model, the really bright 15 year old is just sent to college.
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@sickburnbro industrial education can work for the big hump in the middle of the bell curve
it's a lot of drills, rote memorization, etc. but it will work
we know because it did work at one time
a teacher can teach a classroom of 50 kids with no problem if the kids are socialized to be attentive and respectful
the kids on the far left and right sides of the curve are different and must be treated differently
and the schools must be able to eject troublemakers; schooling is not a right, it is a privilege
Dept. of Ed, put this poast on a plaque and hang it next to the 10 commandments
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@JoshuaSlocum yes, it worked for a period, but what it requires is teachers that realize that their job isn't special. Now every teacher needs to get a degree and are pushed to get *masters* degrees.
I would say it probably only ever "worked" for the middle 50%, but the white people in charge of it were smart and flexible enough to know the kids at the top that needed an out and the kids at the bottom ( not just in terms of IQ here, also antisocialiness ) that couldn't be served.
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@Rocket I would say that having taught at multiple levels that smaller sizes absolutely makes the job easier. as it gets larger your job is almost herding and you tell people you can help them after class.
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@sickburnbro Small class sizes sound nice, but there's no evidence that they actually improve student achievement. We have known for a long time that teacher quality is the number one factor. Teachers unions won't let anyone measure teacher quality. We have to use proxies like tenure. Longer tenured teachers tend to be better, but it's not because they've improved with experience. It's because lousy teachers are more likely to quit.
Teachers are compensated very well, but the compensation is structured to go mostly towards benefits and retirement (again, thank you unions). Most people don't want to work for decades before seeing decent financial compensation.
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@JoshuaSlocum the reason you have this constant churn in stuff like math is that there are unequal outcomes, and because many people believe that people are literally 100% the same, unequal outcomes means the teachers are doing something wrong. So if the teachers aren't racists, the books must be.
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@sickburnbro it doesn't help that education has become a racket
realtalk, there should be one set of math textbooks; it's math
same with science or history
we do all this jiggery-pokery to "reach the underserved students" or whatever, but that is part of the pernicious "schooling is a right" idea
that same idea is why we're paying for illegals to go to school
people by their nature will fall out of schooling at different times depending on temperament and intelligence, and there is nothing that can be done about that
that's the fundamental sea change necessary in the conversation
Bread up, Bro
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