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Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:31:15 JST Angry Sun @mikoto @wolf480pl work is in fact being done on "who can reply" but of course while it will always work on your own server, it can't be enforced. I have mixed feelings about it because, like with everything on Fedi, what is possible doesn't meet the average person's expectations. My current feeling is that some people will be happier on a more tightly controlled (and probably centralized) service. -
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Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:34:34 JST Angry Sun @coolboymew @mikoto @wolf480pl even though technically you can't enforce it, you can't enforce message scope either. But if your server ignores message scopes, then others won't federate with you. I could see reply permissions being the same way, "this server ignores who can post, defederated" -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:34:35 JST cool_boy_mew @sun @mikoto @wolf480pl "who can reply" is an absolutely ludicrous function on social media -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:36:41 JST cool_boy_mew @sun @mikoto @wolf480pl I see it as ridiculous, especially on the fedi, because if you have to especially use the feature, you may as well block whole instances instead
On Twitter and co it's probably used by ecelebs and other egomaniacs, basically undesirable peopleAngry Sun likes this. -
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Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:39:12 JST Angry Sun @coolboymew @mikoto @wolf480pl my main issue with it is, when I look at the discussion about it: the design seems to be ridiculously complicated. having to implement things like that is burdensome and will centralize development if it becomes mandatory. -
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feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:40:15 JST feld @sun @mikoto @wolf480pl it's just going to lead to discussions happening that your server won't know about, and then eventually it will bubble up when someone starts screaming "why aren't you moderating this thread people are being bad" and the op will be like "What thread, I don't have replies enabled?"
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Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:41:33 JST Angry Sun @feld @mikoto @wolf480pl @coolboymew every weird feature that people like in other social media should be implemented by someone so it's an option but there shouldn't be an expectation that every server will support it. this does seem contentious because you will, yet again, get a split view of the network which will cause problems yes -
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feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:41:34 JST feld @sun @mikoto @wolf480pl @coolboymew but that's what they want. make it so it's equivalent to the old silo, except now they're the only ones in control -
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Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:41:40 JST Wolf480pl @sun @mikoto which is why I think it should be advisory - a preference declared in the original post that viewers can use to show or hide unsanctioned replies if they want
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Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:42:26 JST Angry Sun @wolf480pl @mikoto that seems best. the original server maybe won't show them at all but other servers can just hide them (or not) -
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Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:50:02 JST Angry Sun @coolboymew @feld @mikoto @wolf480pl moderated discussions, like a panel discussion. limit the thread to just people that are permitted. -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:50:03 JST cool_boy_mew @sun @feld @mikoto @wolf480pl What is even the biggest argument in favor of it?
The most I can see is what I already mentioned, and let's say, maybe the holocaust museum account that got immediately attacked by Poast and friends. Obviously, that immediately become a "why weren't they blocked?" and... Do we really want these kind of organisations on here in the first place? So they'll end up just posting under restricted replies with nobody being whitelisted or them maintaining their own whitelist, which then would double the question: Why are they here then?
Plus their software doesn't have to respect the reply limitation, which then they could still post to it anyways, which then it would mean that the restriction would then have to be applied to all servers that actually respects the reply limitations, which sounds like a whole lot of work for stuff that just shouldn't be on the fedi IMO -
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Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:53:17 JST Wolf480pl @coolboymew @mikoto @feld @sun
you don't wany a glorified RSS on fedi? o.OAngry Sun likes this. -
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Angry Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 22:54:49 JST Angry Sun @wolf480pl @coolboymew @mikoto @feld ActivityPub is a substrate for building other things on top of so you should be able to shoot out a message and ignore replies -
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Wolf480pl (wolf480pl@mstdn.io)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 23:01:45 JST Wolf480pl @coolboymew @mikoto @feld @sun well ok.
But some people do want a glorified RSS. For example, I'd like to see in my fedi TL when one of my favourite youtubers publishes a video. At some point in the past there was a bridge through which it kinda sorta worked with great delay, but then it broke / shut down.Angry Sun likes this. -
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cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 23:01:46 JST cool_boy_mew @wolf480pl @mikoto @feld @sun pretty much, no. At least, not corporate ones (I DO RSS a Canadian games deals account on mastodon dot social, thanks to reddit and twitter having no RSS feeds) -
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feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 23-Aug-2024 23:38:19 JST feld @sun @mikoto @wolf480pl @coolboymew I don't even get the point of it really
okay, so you made a post and you disabled replies. Everyone disabled replies.
They'll still talk shit about you.
They'll do a quote post, or make a regular post with a link to your post and start a discussion there. They might even mention you.
Now what do you do? It's the same problem all over again, except you just wasted 10,000 hours of IT professionals to plan and design a complicated protocol that didn't achieve its goals.Angry Sun likes this.
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