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   Jan Lehnardt :couchdb: (janl@narrativ.es)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 03:54:01 JST Jan Lehnardt :couchdb:

   • Thomas 🔭🕹️

   @thomasfuchs right, it’s an unadulterated nightmare.

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     rodhlann (rodhlann@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 04:05:36 JST rodhlann

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs think of the oil companies!!

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     Ross Young :elixir: (mightyredpanda@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 05:22:44 JST Ross Young :elixir:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs We watched the movie adaptation of The Lorax last night for movie night.

     Dr. Seuss had it right. Even when the devastation of running roughshod over the earth is right in front of you (and conversely the benefits of change are plain and obvious) unchecked greed tends to motivate those with the power to keep things as-is, until they are forced to reckon with it.

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     Chandler Carruth (chandlerc@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 05:24:05 JST Chandler Carruth

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Loss of power.

     Not power as in energy, but power as in power dynamics between people & groups.

     If we fight it, entrenched, stupendously powerful entities become _sharply_ less powerful. They both directly lose or weaken their economic & political means of power, and have to admit to the causal factors that erode or destroy peoples' perception of power.

     And people broadly have to come to terms with being wrong and having done harm, which removes their own personal sense of power.

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     Liminal witch 🧙‍♀️ Sarah (xgebi@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 05:31:14 JST Liminal witch 🧙‍♀️ Sarah

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs in certain Central European country, not Germany, which got addicted to car manufacturers, there’s a scare tactic that unless gasoline cars are preserved people will lose jobs

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     Chandler Carruth (chandlerc@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 05:37:33 JST Chandler Carruth

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs I think power dynamics are still at the root....

     Lots of folks who find their own tiny power by following / supporting / being in (what they perceive as) the "in-group" of an influential politician or mogul who is one of, or is funded by, these billionaires. They see being able to remain in that group, and feel that tiny bit of power, as attached to the claims and beliefs that they now hold.

     And when those beliefs start being challenged, they lash out defensively.

     My best guess.

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     Liminal witch 🧙‍♀️ Sarah (xgebi@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 05:37:49 JST Liminal witch 🧙‍♀️ Sarah

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs electric cars are the devil for them because none of the manufacturers are locally owned and supply chains are too specialized with apparently no budget to pivot

     You don’t have to convince me. I’d rather see that country to diversify its economy and not be so dependent on car makers than to keep gas cars.

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     Bret Mogilefsky (mogul@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 06:04:32 JST Bret Mogilefsky

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Obligatory...

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     branewave (branewave@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 06:28:04 JST branewave

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs suboptimal allocation of time and resources

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     Lori Olson (wndxlori@ruby.social)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 08:16:20 JST Lori Olson

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs I live in Alberta and over 100,000 jobs (mostly high paying and many in the services barely requiring high school diploma) are hinged on the oil industry. Over 21% of the economy.

     It’s going to be very bad here, sooner or later. And our idiotic provincial government deliberately crippled the start of a booming renewables industry.

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     Hak Foo :verified_blobcat: (hakfoo@mstdn.party)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 08:39:29 JST Hak Foo :verified_blobcat:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs Depending who you're asking it could be

     * Knee-jerk social response to the possibility you'll be told you have to do-- or worse yet, not do-- something by the state

     * Loss of cartelization and associated political/economic muscle

     * Upfront short-term costs that can't be squared with an 'every quarter must outperform the last one' mentality, or legitimate we-can't-afford-the-bootstrap problems. That last one is legit but addressable.

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     Hannele (blagh@hachyderm.io)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 09:53:41 JST Hannele

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs they can say what they want, it's always actually about lost profits

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     Justin Teague :llama: (arcadellama@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 18-Aug-2024 10:08:24 JST Justin Teague :llama:

     • Thomas 🔭🕹️

     @thomasfuchs My observation—as a 40+ year old progressive US Texan with a father who got his degree from U.T. in petroleum engineering in 1972 and spent his life extracting oil and gas before retiring—I can say that the zeitgeist is the climate change “lobby” is intent on destroying families and taking food off the table. “Drill baby drill” = let people have a decent wage and living. It’s very visceral and basic. I don’t agree, but I understand. (1/2)