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   Joe Ortiz (joeo10@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 06:45:46 JST Joe Ortiz

   Yep, totally agree as like I have said for nearly two years now: it's way past time for people and developers to invest in DNS-level ad blocking since you can't and I mean you can't expect Mozilla to follow through on long term support of ManifestV2 at this point in time. https://503junk.house/@rose/112968075320377847

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     Mary Hilton (fmhilton@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 06:49:31 JST Mary Hilton

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     @joeo10 Mozilla still carries Ublock as an extension for their users. I use both it and NoScript to be totally paranoid about the issue.

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     Joe Ortiz (joeo10@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 06:54:30 JST Joe Ortiz

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     • Mary Hilton

     @fmhilton As I said, long term support (more than a year) is uncertain giving Mozilla's over-reliance on Google for most of their business.

     The Mozilla as we know it also might face death's door if Google's monopoly ruling holds up to boot.

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     Mary Hilton (fmhilton@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 06:57:27 JST Mary Hilton

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     @joeo10 Is my memory bad or was Mozilla once an independent entity? I'm sorry I did not realize that they have become so dependent on Google for anything? When did that happen?

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     Joe Ortiz (joeo10@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 07:03:48 JST Joe Ortiz

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     • Mary Hilton

     @fmhilton I posted this last week on Mozilla's dire situation after the ruling: https://mastodon.sdf.org/@joeo10/112927818321260684

     Also, this piece from last year explains Mozilla's finances: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-investigating-the-bizarre-finances-of-mozilla

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     Ben S. (hunterz@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 07:13:57 JST Ben S.

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     @joeo10 I've been running DNS based solutions (currently pihole) on my home LAN for several years, and I still need to use ublock origin because some sites act really weird when they can't load ads due to DNS.

     I'm also not sure how feasible DNS based blocking is with mobile devices on public networks etc.

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     Joe Ortiz (joeo10@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 07:18:32 JST Joe Ortiz

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     • Ben S.

     @HunterZ Outside of federal legislation (which even if it goes into law it's likely going to be shot down in a post-Chevron world), it's the only viable choice we got unfortunately.

     I have a few DNS setups as backups but soon it will be priorities as browser based are inevitably on the way out.

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     Kit Rhett Aultman (roadriverrail@signs.codes)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 08:17:11 JST Kit Rhett Aultman

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     • Mary Hilton

     @joeo10 @fmhilton While I suspect the revenue figures in that linked article are fine, I also noticed that the article basically exists to "just ask questions" about Mozilla potentially being a front company to fund left-wing politics. And that it kept hassling me to sign up for Rumble. And that the blog's most recent posts were pretty typical "anti-woke" grievance stuff. And that the author has been described on r/linux as a "closet qanon guy" and "a grifter".

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     Mary Hilton (fmhilton@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 08:22:51 JST Mary Hilton

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     @joeo10 I was not aware of the technicalities of the ruling, nor of the background. I'm shocked, though that Mozilla turned into a pay for play thing, and yes, I haven't been paying attention. Thanks for the information. Now, are there alternatives to Mozilla should they go belly up if Google does not win the appeal?

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     Joe Ortiz (joeo10@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 08:26:18 JST Joe Ortiz

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     • Mary Hilton

     @fmhilton Who knows? I do hope that Mozilla can find another way to keep afloat but even if they do go belly up, I can see Firefox being hard forked so I can see it being alive in another form, not through Mozilla.

     Browser competition can be revived but it'll take time to develop.

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     Mary Hilton (fmhilton@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 08:29:08 JST Mary Hilton

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     @joeo10 There are other browsers available but most are infected by MS or google.
     Bad landscape, similar to when AOL, Netscape or Internet Explorer all ruled the waves.

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     Joe Ortiz (joeo10@mastodon.sdf.org)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 08:29:42 JST Joe Ortiz

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     @roadriverrail @fmhilton I'm aware of his views and politics although at the time of that piece, this was good information into their finances and how they spent a decade alienating a lot of people and developers alike.

     I use some for Firefox DNA now (LibreWolf) and used to use Firefox for a very long time prior to the 2017 changes to extensions and how far they have fallen since is so tragic.