Another concerned scientist
What are we doing?
"Noah Lyles's bronze medal in the Olympic men's 200-meter dash Thursday in Paris surprised many, given the speed he demonstrated while winning gold in the 100-meter race. However, after the race—which Lyles left in a wheelchair—it was revealed that Lyles was suffering from COVID-19."
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@ABScientist COVID is quite common without symptoms or issues. I have had it 8 times now because I worked as a scientist with patients so I was tested often. Of the 8 times i had it I presented no symptoms of any kind 7 out of those 8 times.
Only reason they are showing up positive is because its just so common to present asymptomatically. In fact you are probably around hundreds of people in a day who would test positive but have no symptoms.
Another concerned scientist
"The Paris Olympics do not have anything resembling strict COVID protocols, so Lyles did not break any rules by particpating in Thursday's race. In fact, he reportedly isn't even the first athlete to participate in the 2024 Games while positive for COVID. "
We will not know many Covid cases, because many athletes might only compete in one event.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@ABScientist genes certainly play a role. But no in my case that doesnt apply. In fact my response was quite typical, everone on my team was tested regularly and we all had similar results over the 2 year period.
Another concerned scientist
You be among the around 10% of the population with the HLA allele, which makes it likely that your infections are asymptomatic.
It is a genetic lottery. If you have the right genes, Covid is a walk in the park.
If you have the wrong genes, consider your role in society ended.
https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-stories/variant-immune-gene-linked-lack-symptoms-during-covid-19
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@ABScientist less of a choice society makes, more about the nature of evolution and disease. Sadly its just how evolution works, its a shame we cant make a huge difference when it comes to these things. Sadly some people will always be high risk and die.
Another concerned scientist
As a society, we have chosen to select for people with the right genes to withstand Covid.
The rest can withdraw in isolation and stop contributing to society.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
To those people i would offer any medical support we can give them. But yea there is an eleme t of sympathy about their situation and the risks thry face. Its not like there is a cure, lets hope one day. The vaccination at least gets us a little closer to one.
Another concerned scientist
Many of the infections have limited symptoms (I think the estimate is around 40 to 60%).
What do you say to people who get sick as a dog each time they get Covid?
Or those who develop severe long Covid after their infections?
"Too bad. You are no longer worth your place in society."?
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Huh, there literally is something wrong with them, as you pointed out some sort of genetic abnormality that makes them high risk... not sure you mean about "treati g people" they were born that way, its not our fault somethi g is literally wrong with them, covid has mother nature to blame
Another concerned scientist
I know people in both groups. And society indeed thinks that there is something wrong with them. And they are struggling in their jobs and financially.
Is this a way to treat people?
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
No one shoukd be getting bullied for wearing masks, no one shoukd be bullied for not wearing masks either.
No making fun of them is wrong.
Sadly yes ive seen both people who wear masks and dont be bullied for their choice. Its wrong in both cases.
Another concerned scientist
But does that mean that we have to bully them because they wear a mask to protect themselves against a virus that hits them hard?
Make fun of them that they get ill from a virus that other people sail through?
Because that is the society that we are currently in.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Fair? I mean its no less fair than getting struck by lightening. Its an act of nature and nature doesnt worry too much about fairness. Its sad that they or anyone suffers of course.
Another concerned scientist
One of them had an allergic reaction to the vaccine that landed them in hospital. Sick as a dog from each of their five infections. Highly skilled worker.
Is that fair in any way?
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You can always do more, there comes a point of marginal returns. At some point there is a cut off where doing more takes too much effort for too little gain.
There are also issues with purifyibg environments too much as it te ds to lead to higher incidence of autoimmune disease, so there is also a point where cleaning the air causes more disease than it cures.
Not saying we are at that point mind you.
Another concerned scientist
We could also clean the air and make sure people get infected less often, making it safe for everyone.
Next there might be mpox, bird flu or Nipah. And you may be on the wrong end of the gene spectrum.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
@ABScientist One would expect an immunocompromised person to avoid crowds. I would encourage that.
Another concerned scientist
Is it also Ok to walk away from high risk situations?
Obviously you cannot join drinks or dinner at work if you get sick as a dog each time you catch Covid.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Yea they would have to find a job thry can do effectively remotely of course.
Another concerned scientist
It does mean that as an employer you are fishing in a smaller pond of talent.
Those who get seriously ill from Covid are not going to work in a workplace where Covid floats around freely and they are expected to take part in maskless food and drink events.
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