🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
> The point of the Fediverse is that WE DECIDE WHAT OUR OWN FEED IS... no algorithm, no "AI" deciding what we see and what we don't see.. We decide, with our own hashtags and filters, etc.
Yes but I'd argue these tools are lacking.There should be algorithms, but these algorithms should be under **our** control. We can turn them off if want, or configure them how we want.
Algorithms arent evil when your the one in control.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
My thoughts exactly, the twitter and facebook algorithms arent bad because their algorithms, their bad because they work for the best interest of FB and twitter, and not its users.
mcv
Exactly. The problem with Twitter/Facebook/etc algorithms is that they're opaque and not under our control. I'd like to see a system where they're optional and completely under the user's control.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
I have no idea honestly. Is bluesky commercial or public? Arent they commercial? If so I really would be skeptical on that.
Louis Ingenthron
@mcv @freemo @randahl @admin Isn't that pretty much exactly what BlueSky is trying? (Or so I've heard; haven't used it myself.)
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Promising idea.. but I dont think commercial social media will ever be the ideal
Louis Ingenthron
@freemo @mcv @randahl @admin As I understand it, they are still pretty opaque, but they can be fully disabled or heavily customized by the user.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
Open-protocol is not really the overall solution, as that can still mean privatized software and commercial interests running it. The only acceptable solution IMO is open-source AND open-standards.
Louis Ingenthron
@freemo @mcv @randahl @admin I tend to agree, but I think they were also planning to eventually open it up to their own open-protocol, like a competitor to ActivityPub.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
You will care when they start spamming everyone with commercial ads and traffic.
That said you cant reasonably expect to keep commercial interests off an open-network. So I am not suggesting there is much we can do to stop their existance. But we can, at a minimum, block the ones that spam,a nd avoid joining the ones that are commercial but maybe not spamming/advertising on the network.
Louis Ingenthron
@freemo @mcv @randahl @admin Eh, I don't mind private and commercial software federating with open and free software. The latter is always able to block the former if they so choose.
🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱
That works fine when servers play by the rules... a spam server is likely not to. They will just mass spam people and change their domain every hour, and it effectively becomes unblockable in any effective way.
The only reason that isnt more of a problem yet is because there isnt much commercial interest here yet. But if this place were popular that would be happening a lot and the only way to effectively stop it would be to switch to a white-list mode.
Louis Ingenthron
@freemo @mcv @randahl @admin For me, the rules of federating are entirely content based. If an instance is full of spam, I'll block it, whether it's commercial or open. If it's got illegal content, I'll block it, whether it's commercial or open.
But I don't think I'd ever block an entire server just on the basis of being run for profit.
Alexandre Oliva
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