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   Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:43:18 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

   I don't see perl devs being as arrogant as they should be at the fact that UNLIKE SOME OTHER P-LANGUAGES I COULD MENTION, they've been on the same major version for 30 years.

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     Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:43:44 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     Python programmer: yeah I've been spending a lot of time converting my code to work with python 3.

     Perl programmer: oh yeah that happened to me once! I had to convert all my code to run on the new Perl 5. Have you ever tried to use SSH on Windows 3.1? It's a pain!

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     Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 (swelljoe@mas.to)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:43:44 JST Joe Cooper 🇺🇦

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     @foone the Perl codebase I work on, which is probably a couple hundred thousand lines of code, still has quite a few Perl 4-isms in it. Works fine on current Perl versions.

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     Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:43:55 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Joe Cooper 🇺🇦

     @swelljoe you hear that, python? Perl people can still run code from versions made before the Soviet Union fell.

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     Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:44:11 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     Yes, speaking as a python programmer, I've decided to join in on the perl vs. python war, but on the side of perl

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     Foone🏳️‍⚧️ (foone@digipres.club)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:45:10 JST Foone🏳️‍⚧️

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     • Ryan Finnie

     @foo putting requests into stdlib would make python devs too powerful. We can't let them have that much ability, they'll dethrone the gods and rebuild the world in their image!

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     Ryan Finnie (foo@fosstodon.org)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:45:11 JST Ryan Finnie

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     @foone Come on, give Python some slack. Do you realize how much development effort it takes them to avoid integrating "requests" into stdlib?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:46:38 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Ryan Finnie
     @foo @foone This reminded me of the numerous breakages the urllib thing caused me in the early py2→py3 migrations oh no.
     
     (Pretty much why I'm the kind which rewrites some python scripts into perl scripts, lol)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:57:04 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     • Ryan Finnie
     @foo @foone Also I love how often you see libraries compatible with versions of perl from easily a decade ago, no need to chase the latest version of the language.
     Given the urllib/requests context, the latest version of libwww-perl aka LWP passes tests all the way to Perl 5.8.9 (~2008 version of perl) and possibly even older: http://matrix.cpantesters.org/?dist=libwww-perl+6.77
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     Dana Fried (tess@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 17:59:50 JST Dana Fried

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     @foone PHP FROM OUT OF NOWHERE WITH A STEEL CHAIR

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     Jens Finkhäuser (jens@social.finkhaeuser.de)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 18:00:07 JST Jens Finkhäuser

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     @foone Transitioning from Python 2.1 to 2.3 introduced me to the world of pain that is progress in Python.

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     nina (q66@blahaj.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 18:00:37 JST nina

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     @foone they only avoided it by renaming perl 6

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 18:05:45 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • nina
     @q66 @foone And AFAIK it ended up renamed because of being too different from Perl 5, notably not backward-compatible.
     
     At least some of the Rakudo/Perl6 stuff ended up backported as libraries.
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     nina (q66@blahaj.social)'s status on Thursday, 08-Aug-2024 18:18:20 JST nina

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

     @lanodan @foone well chances are it would not matter anyway because in this day and age barely anybody cares about perl anymore and definitely not enough to have the momentum to jump to an incompatible new major version

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