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   feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 22:53:35 JST feld
   I think one of the most powerful skills but most difficult to acquire in IT/tech is networking
   
   It's easier now as there's a plethora of capable new and used gear on the market and open source software out there to help you learn, but it's still an uphill battle.
   
   I think it's easier to get a formal education in networking and be self-taught in programing/unix than the other way around.
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     narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag: (hj@shigusegubu.club)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 22:53:57 JST narcolepsy and alcoholism :flag:

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     @feld it really is.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 22:57:30 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @feld Like social networking or like TCP/IP kind of stuff?
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 22:58:53 JST feld

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     @lanodan though both are important, and I'd say being involved in open source already gives you an advantage in the professional/human networking area
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 23:03:46 JST feld

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     @hj one thing they didn't teach me was BGP. "It's for the big ISPs and carrier networks, you won't need it in your job"
     
     Well, they were wrong for multiple reasons (hello iBGP my little magic load balancing friend) and I worked at an ISP.
     
     The really difficult part though is getting your hands on the gear. I picked my school because I was a dumb poor little boy and I was amazed they had a Cisco router in our lab that was worth like $200k. That's peanuts these days, but it gave me access to something I could never afford to touch on my own.
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 23:07:47 JST feld

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     • Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
     @lanodan TCP/IP
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 23:07:47 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @feld Interesting, I'd say networking is something newcomers can quite quickly grasp, at least thanks to Wireshark and ability to use pretty much any language including say Python, plus just poke around.
     That said I'm probably quite biased as I started with network software (pretty fun to write clients/bots/…).
     
     Meanwhile I'd say system is the worst, lot of documentation though but also lot of NDAs and barely any tools with a decent learning curve specially when you go low-level.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 23:16:22 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @feld Broadcast at least is something you can see in most LANs easily (like due to mDNS, DHCP, …) plus I think all implementations of ping have a broadcast option.
     Collision… good luck figuring that one :D
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 23:16:23 JST feld

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     @lanodan Wireshark will definitely help with grasping the idea of packets/frames, but I think a lot of people will struggle to understand topics like broadcast domains and collision domains without a more realistic lab to work with
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Wednesday, 07-Aug-2024 23:17:16 JST feld

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     @lanodan it was more obvious when most people only owned hubs, not switches
     
     I remember wanting a 5 port gigabit switch to use with my friends at a LAN party and it was like $350 for a shitty Netgear
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