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   feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 16:14:40 JST feld
   @nate so I guess Rust isn't accessible because you can't compile it on old hardware due to its massive CPU and memory requirements
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     ladyerrant (ladyerrant@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 16:14:39 JST ladyerrant

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     @feld @nate Any language that has to download hundreds of dependencies from a "repository" is on my shitlist. Lookin at you too, node.

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 16:22:37 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @ladyerrant @feld @nate Ironically NodeJS has a pretty large stdlib (see https://nodejs.org/api/ ), so you can write actual NodeJS programs with barely any dependencies.
     
     Also you can actually install NodeJS libraries in your system, meaning apps with a reasonable amount of dependencies can be packaged just like say Python ones.
     
     So I think for NodeJS the problem is more cultural, and maybe a bit of technical debt as stdlib getting a test runner is pretty recent (that said you totally can write tests in pure JS, the ECMAScript standard itself does that fine).
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:05:15 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • ladyerrant
     @PinoBatch @feld @nate @ladyerrant You can still use PYTHON_PATH fine with python and I'd heavily recommend doing so given how deeply broken and untrustworthy pip is.
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     Damian Yerrick (pinobatch@peoplemaking.games)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:05:16 JST Damian Yerrick

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     @lanodan @feld @nate @ladyerrant Except with Python, you have PEP 668 that fully separates the "distro world" from the "PyPI world". If a program requires even one package that isn't in your distribution, you need to spin up a venv with every single package that the program requires. This means another copy of Pillow, SciPy, etc.
     https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:07:01 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • ladyerrant
     @feld @nate @ladyerrant @PinoBatch Well at least this one has been there for ages, like I ended up using it on Ubuntu 14.04 machines few years ago (yes I know it's EOL).
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     feld (feld@bikeshed.party)'s status on Thursday, 15-Aug-2024 02:07:02 JST feld

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     @lanodan @nate @ladyerrant @PinoBatch ahh great, another thing to remember 🥴