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   Jeff Geerling (geerlingguy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 00:34:56 JST Jeff Geerling

   RISC-V is going mainstream: see how the Milk-V Jupiter Mini ITX board runs as a normal desktop PC, with Ubuntu, Bianbu, and Fedora Linux! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxtFctEsHy0

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 00:35:45 JST clacke

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     @geerlingguy It's amazing to me how little stuff there is on a modern board. It's just a Pi, flattened out and with extra breathing room! 🤣

     Everything is miniaturized and integrated. If I understood the video correctly, the reason I'm not seeing any memory chips is because that's integrated to the CPU too? Basically there is no CPU chip, there's a SoC and the CPU is just one of several areas within it.

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     reddpower (reddpower@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 04:47:11 JST reddpower

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     @clacke @geerlingguy

     The memory chip is next to the SoC.

     It's not feasible to integrate it into the same die. It's either close to or on top of the CPU package.

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 04:47:34 JST clacke

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     @reddpower Thank you for the correction!

     So the reason I don't recognize it is because it's surface-mounted rather than using a replaceable SODIMM or equivalent.

     Is it complicated to include RAM on the same die? Does the refreshing cycle require something that is difficult to miniaturize?

     @geerlingguy

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     reddpower (reddpower@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 04:48:10 JST reddpower

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     @geerlingguy Still far away from being mainstream in the PC market, but like ExplainingComputers, I feel like it's gonna get there quicker than Arm.

     There's a big push for software and peripherals standardization in the RISC-V world, while Arm is struggling to this day and won't ever get better because nobody cares at this point.
     SystemReady came way too late, and IR & ES levels aren't helping either. Any broken crap (*cough* RPi) can get IR/ES certified and claim it's "SystemReady". Haha, no.

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     Jeff Geerling (geerlingguy@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 13:28:48 JST Jeff Geerling

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     @AU it's an annoying side effect of showing off some of these products—most of these companies aren't prepped with thousands of units at launch... many finally catch up though, just takes a month or 12 :/

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     AU (au@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Aug-2024 13:28:51 JST AU

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     @geerlingguy Jeff, you almost need a "don't check, you can't get one" disclaimer right at the start of your videos where the situation is such.

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     Marcin Juszkiewicz (hrw@society.oftrolls.com)'s status on Friday, 16-Aug-2024 15:45:38 JST Marcin Juszkiewicz

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     @geerlingguy I heard that RISC-V is not ready for users yet.

     But didn't thought that 360p youtube video will be too much for it. I do not remember did I ever saw so slow AArch64 system.

     Twenty years old ppc32 chips can do it...

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