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   Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 (_thegeoff@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:08 JST Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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   @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic There was a similar case with BT in the 2000s, they inserted their own adverts into web pages when serving them to UK customers. I noticed when they did it to my own site. They got a stern letter about copyright infringement, which it was, and swiftly dropped the idea.
   The difference here is that the webpage is delivered directly to the user's machine, and the user then chooses how to modify the data.

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     Reg Braithwaite 🍓 (raganwald@social.bau-ha.us)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:10:59 JST Reg Braithwaite 🍓

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     @wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing @ryebread8403 @microblogc @toriver @_thegeoff @rupert @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic

     Wilhoit called it:

     Corporations will be protected by the laws against discrimination, but not bound by them. They will, for example, be protected against boycotts as "discrimination," but not be bound by any law against discrimination against their human customers or employees.

     Humans will be bound by laws against discrimination, but not protected by them.

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     fear is not a Weltanschauung (wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing@zirk.us)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:00 JST fear is not a Weltanschauung

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     I sometimes fancy that the endgame of corporate personhood is to enshrine incorporation as a protected category equal to race or religion, weaponising anti-discrimination laws to neutralise regulation and criminalise choosing not to purchase a product as harmful corporationist bigotry

     @ryebread8403 @microblogc @toriver @_thegeoff @rupert @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic

     pettter repeated this.
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     fear is not a Weltanschauung (wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing@zirk.us)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:01 JST fear is not a Weltanschauung

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     @ryebread8403
     corporations have already been granted personhood, legally speaking. That the corporation personified retains the protections of intellectual copyright to his creative endeavours is a much smaller stretch than that.
     (oh, and corporations will certainly take male pronouns, in the style of Enlightenment writers)
     @microblogc @toriver @_thegeoff @rupert @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic

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     ryebread8403 (ryebread8403@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:02 JST ryebread8403

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     @microblogc @toriver @_thegeoff @rupert @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic I'm not sure adverts on pages are even the same thing. Web page authors don't know what ads are going to be there. They don't decide a particular ad will be there. Is the combination of ad and content really even a human work, or work of The Algorithm.

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     fear is not a Weltanschauung (wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing@zirk.us)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:02 JST fear is not a Weltanschauung

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     @ryebread8403
     "actually, you are wrong. I am an artist. The webpage is my canvas, the algorithm, my paintbrush. The result, a conceptual work exploring hybrid techniques and technologically mediated creation. Interfering with this process is violating my intellectual copyright to this work, a piece titled 'enshrining legal protection of my right to maximise profits at any expense' "

     @microblogc @toriver @_thegeoff @rupert @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic

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     MicroBlog Castellano (microblogc@paquita.masto.host)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:03 JST MicroBlog Castellano

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     @toriver @_thegeoff @rupert @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic Well, I understand html is just a code and choosing how to *render* it is up to the user browser.

     If you place a Pavarotti record in your turntable and scratch it, for your personal use, are you creating a derivative work?

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     Tor Iver Wilhelmsen (toriver@mas.to)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:04 JST Tor Iver Wilhelmsen

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     @_thegeoff @rupert @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic also - even though the question of ISPs as «common carrier» has been on/off over the years of changing federal administrations and FCC heads, parsing web pages to identify ads and replacing them, or embellishing them with your own HTML most certainly falls outside that «get out of responsibility» protection.

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     Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 (_thegeoff@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:05 JST Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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     @rupert @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic The difference is that a commercial organisation has adapted my work before delivering it to you. Put it this way, if you download an ad-encourager, running on your device, which inserts adverts into any web page you download, then fair enough. My data has been delivered to you as intended, you then chose to modify it for your own use.
     But when a third party modifies it for their own profit, they breach my copyright.

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     Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 (_thegeoff@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:06 JST Geoff 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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     @rupert @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic They've still got the issue of modifying somebody else's work though - if e.g. you (on your cheap ISP) load my gambling addiction website, and the ISP has inserted roulette adverts....?

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     Rupert (rupert@mastodon.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:06 JST Rupert

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     @_thegeoff @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic IIRC, it was banner ads in a frame around the web page, so not changing the html as such.
     But still, if I as a user want to consume your html that way, how is that different than using an ad blocker?

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     Rupert (rupert@mastodon.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 30-Jul-2024 23:11:07 JST Rupert

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     @_thegeoff @rlmcneary2 @pluralistic I recall an ISP in the US that did this, but they explicitly got the end user's permission to do so, in return for free (or cheap) dial-up.