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@sj_zero A comment and critique.
Nation and national distinctly meant ethnic and racial. Attached are two etymological definitions showing the classical meanings. The word "ethnos" is actually a root word for "nation".
Regarding Marxism and discussion and reference by National Socialist Germany, it's important to consider the ideological war against communism that led to national socialism emerging. A lot of former communists joined the NSDAP because it was a better movement for their people. In both cases, they were people looking for radical change from the proto-neoliberalism emerging in Weimar Germany.
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Yes, the conception of a nation as just a geographical area and a democratic government slapped on top is I think a product of the modern period's colonialism, resulting global empires such as the English, Spanish, Portuguese, and to a lesser extent powers like France, and existing nations like the United States that don't have those long histories and relatively unified ethnicity. In that sense, premodern states were effective ethnostates.
I'm using the word in the modern sense since that's how we use it today because it helps people (including myself) who were confused by the concept of national socialism in a postmodern world that doesn't see nations that way colloquially anymore.
I'm hypocritical in my distaste for the use of the word neoliberal in such a way that it represents an effective growing of government while pretending to do the opposite by reducing public services. I recognize that that is how it is come to be known now, however.
Something a lot of leftists don't seem to realize is that the social liberalism is just a tool for the destruction of capitalism. In every example on record they'd open up to degenerates until they're in power then they call that behavior anti-revolutionary and crack down. Every time. I could see a winning ideology that proposed socialism but also was against the absolute degeneracy of the Weimar Republic being tempting for communists who want to get closer to socialism and see what the Weimar republic showed them as capitalist decadence and decline suggesting all capitalism was about to collapse.
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@sj_zero >Neoliberalism critiques
I think Trotsky "won" the long game, because that's all this appears to be. Permanent revolution ✅
For Industrialized nations only ✅
Power consolidation ✅
Capitalism as its vector ✅
Former Trotskyists turning neoconservative ✅
Checks all the boxes IMO. I have done some low tier effort posts on this building on others' observations but I can try and write something bigger if you're interested.
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@sj_zero @BowsacNoodle
>nation as just a geographical area and a democratic government slapped on top
All these "race" problem's are actually culture problems. When you have people of different culture's mixing and creating what i call mixed blood (like 50% of Americans, including "black" people) have no real culture. The idea of the "White" people is a entirely new idea created in American during the 1950's.
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@w0rm @BowsacNoodle @sj_zero Africa is a tribe culture, thats why.
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@dcc @BowsacNoodle @sj_zero I would be interested in knowing what culture makes providing for sub-90 IQ creatures a free action.
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@w0rm @BowsacNoodle @sj_zero Im just talking about Africa, i have no idea what you are saying kek.
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@dcc @BowsacNoodle @sj_zero
Which only exists due to external support.
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@dcc @sj_zero >the idea of the "White" people created in America during the 1950's.
incorrect. It was known and understood implicitly and explicitly since the country's inception.
>Us naturalization act 1790 text
An Act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization
>Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to abide by the Constitution of the United States, and to renounce all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty whatever.
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@BowsacNoodle @sj_zero I mean you just proved my point that racialy white is the not the same as white from 1790.
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@w0rm @BowsacNoodle @sj_zero I guess you don't understand what culture means, culture includes genetics. Basically a jew is not a greek. during the 1950's the culture mixing epidemic started.
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@dcc @BowsacNoodle @sj_zero
In the post starting "All these "race" problem's are actually culture problems." you seem to suggest that there existed a cultural solution, before the 1950's, that solved the additional costs inherent to a dependent-at-best race.
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@BowsacNoodle @dcc @sj_zero
> understood implicitly and explicitly since the country's inception
Unless you're Irish, or Russian, or...
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@w0rm @BowsacNoodle @sj_zero Basically culturally "White" vs racially White.
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@dcc @sj_zero It had a different meaning, but it was more of a scope creep than a full redefinition. It is fair to say it (pan-Whiteness) has become a reactionary concept in modern years because of the attempts to erase all European peoples and our cultures.
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@w0rm @BowsacNoodle @sj_zero >what existed in 1940 that made black Americans more acceptable
This is quite a different question than you asked me, in the 1970's is when this happened, the 1970's started the single motherhood of the Africans (its like 70% now)
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@dcc @BowsacNoodle @sj_zero
> culture includes genetics.
It does seem that we use the term differently. I don't understand that post at all, what existed in 1940 that made black Americans more acceptable?
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