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   realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 13:07:45 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

   Interesting.

   https://bird.makeup/users/harryjsisson/statuses/1807793337509786023

   https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/07/14/donald-trump-survives-an-apparent-assassination-attempt

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 13:07:40 JST iced depresso

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     @realcaseyrollins people really don't seem to understand what that clause means do they :comfywoozy:
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 13:17:15 JST iced depresso

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     @realcaseyrollins there is an intentional separation of powers where the judiciary and the executive and the legislative are not supposed to be able to directly interfere with one another.
     
     you can't use the judiciary as a machiavelian means to unseat the president, basically. there is already a mechanism for doing that (impeachment) which requires an elected body to have majority agreements on ejecting another elected body.
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     realcaseyrollins ✝️ (realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 13:17:16 JST realcaseyrollins ✝️

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     @icedquinn I won’t even pretend to understand it fully. I haven’t read it and most people breaking it down seem to be biased.

     My position is basically that the #SCOTUS ruling was broad and leaves some things up for question or debate, which will be clarified in future rulings.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 17:30:39 JST iced depresso

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     @pomCountyIrregs @realcaseyrollins he had privilege when it happened, it doesn't matter that he doesn't today.
     
     to do otherwise gets in to ex post facto laws which are also banned; i.e. you can't make something illegal and then prosecute them for doing something when it was legal to do so.
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     Pomegranate County Irregulars (pomcountyirregs@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 17:30:40 JST Pomegranate County Irregulars

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     @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins An interesting point except law enforcement and prosecution are Executive branch functions and the prosecutions here are about someone who is not a President and thus not being unseated.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 17:53:59 JST iced depresso

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     @pomCountyIrregs @realcaseyrollins
     
     > Plus, all the crimes that Trump was indicted for were crimes before he was in office. Ex post facto is irrelevant.
     
     he was in office wrt. the case people are setting their hair on fire about
     
     - https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/07/justices-rule-trump-has-some-immunity-from-prosecution/
     - https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23-939_e2pg.pdf
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     Pomegranate County Irregulars (pomcountyirregs@mstdn.social)'s status on Sunday, 14-Jul-2024 17:54:00 JST Pomegranate County Irregulars

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     @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins I detect a bit of goal post shifting.

     Privilege is a derived construct here. Its limits were not delineated and many legal scholars expected there would be no serious thought that privilege was complete. Even the SCOTUS majority did not find that, but, strangely tied the hands of the Executive Branch regarding evidence it can present to a jury.

     Plus, all the crimes that Trump was indicted for were crimes before he was in office. Ex post facto is irrelevant.