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   :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶 (adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 23:51:23 JST :verified_2:防空識別區𝒔𝒐𝒄𝟶

   I should try FreeBSD on my other computer when I get back in a few weeks. That'd be a really good experience to try.
   
   RE: https://soc0.outrnat.nl/notes/9vf871c73w

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 07-Jul-2024 23:51:22 JST 翠星石

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     @adiz No, you shouldn't install that proprietary software.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 00:11:01 JST 翠星石

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     • Maija (SPW Arc)
     @maija @adiz Did I stutter?
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev
     
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/nvidia/LICENCE.nvidia
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/nvidia/tegra124_xusb.bin.uu
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/nvidia/tegra210_xusb.bin.uu
     
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/otus/otus-license
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/otus/otus-init
     
     This in the "src" tree, installed by default.
     
     Merely because it's in an encoded format doesn't make the proprietary software license not apply - it ships with proprietary software installed, which makes it proprietary software.
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     Maija (SPW Arc) (maija@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 00:11:02 JST Maija (SPW Arc)

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     @Suiseiseki @adiz proprietary?
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 00:13:37 JST 翠星石

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     @adiz I suggest trying a free distro of GNU/Linux; https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.en.html
     You may be surprised how well Trisquel works even on the most proprietary of computers.
     
     If you're going for niche, how about you install GNU/Hurd and experience how the Church of Emacs operates just as well without Linux?
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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com Lol what do you suggest, out of curiosity? The BSDs just seem like a good thing to explore.
     
     One day, Haiku will be matured to a point of blasé daily drivability, so it is written. And then peace will descend upon the Earth.

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     • Maija (SPW Arc)
     @maija It is part of the base install and therefore you cannot share "free"BSD unmodified in freedom - you would need to locate and delete all the proprietary software in it to do that.
     
     Merely because you don't execute some proprietary software doesn't mean it cannot take away some of your freedoms.
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     Maija (SPW Arc) (maija@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 00:17:41 JST Maija (SPW Arc)

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     @Suiseiseki @adiz thats not freebsd thats drivers you dont need to use
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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 00:28:06 JST Pleroma-tan

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     @adiz bsd is a breath of fresh air when compared to Linux at times. openbsd man pages and faq are amazing
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     Pleroma-tan (kirby@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 00:31:06 JST Pleroma-tan

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     @adiz freebsd is also just *really damn fast* apparently even faster than Linux in some cases. It's craaazy, also Foss software availability is wonderful
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     • Maija (SPW Arc)
     @maija I checked the installer .iso's as well and those are chock full of proprietary software in .ko files and it undoubtedly has a bunch elsewhere of a different kind.
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     • Pleroma-tan
     @adiz @kirby Openbsd only really missing nvidia gpu support, any sort of 32 bit app support, and the kvm system does not have gpu functions yet (i need this my self before i go back). Openbsd has most ports though.
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     @kirby@lab.nyanide.com I'm led to believe that OpenBSD is more niche and security focused or whatever whereas FreeBSD is more appropriate for personal use and daily driving?

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     @adiz @kirby Yea, most Linux software works on openbsd, more on free including the ability to use steam with free bsds linux compatibility.
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     @dcc@annihilation.social When you say "ports", you mean ports of software over to BSD? @kirby@lab.nyanide.com

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     @adiz @kirby It also has hive (its own kvm system) jails, and other thing's that are in its kernel.
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     @dcc@annihilation.social So, FreeBSD gets more traction just because it has more consumer software ports, then. @kirby@lab.nyanide.com

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     @kirby @adiz every once in a while I go on some threads and I see someone mention BSD. whenever I ask why I should use BSD over GNU/Linux some guy in a Punisher t-shirt starts to lecture me about the philosophy of Lionel Richie and says some non-sequitur about systemd. Listen man I have a D ready for you fucking bitch. I don't give a fuck about your liberal sociology I just want steam to work on my computer I want my wi-fi to work. I'm always work "BSD is a complete operating system. It doesn't use distros like Linux" and then I look at the fucking piles of BSD DISTROS online FreeBSD OpenBSD NetBSD TrueOS DragonflyBSD and wow they ALL SUCK and they're ALL DISTROS :D
     
     and these are just the online BSD people once you get into real life it's even worse. I go to the BSD conference it looks like a fucking starbucks it's all rich millennials and baby boomers sitting at their fucking Macbook Pros jacking themselves off about how they run a BSD OS on their fucking Apple Shittalk YOU AREN'T A PRO HACKER FOR RUNNING MACOS YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT NOBODY CARES INSTALL GENTOO
     
     and at the fucking BSD conference this guy comes up George or some shit it's that fucking eggman looking guy who was in every BSD shilling video. it's like it's his full time job to tell people to run FreeBSD. he doesn't even run fucking FreeBSD because in every video I see he is sitting on a Macbook Pro running MacOS. Wow you run your own operating system in a virtual machine only it must be so great right? He's always mumbling about how he made the fucking network stack from MacOS gee I wonder how much you got paid for that bud oh yeah fucking nothing great job buddy happy for you. At least you got Apple to give you some of the code they added right? wait wrong you didn't because you use a CUCK LICENSE. Billionaires are making money off of over 20 years of this guy's fucking work he's got nothing in return, he's got no source code. Imagine what it's like working on a free os for decades just for it to be used to spy on users and make billionaires more money. Imagine being proud of this.
     
     BSD is a CUCK operating system and running it is an embarrassment.
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     • Maija (SPW Arc)
     @maija >is an unused file proprietary malware?
     Yes, you can have proprietary malware in a file that you don't use or execute - which is good as malware doesn't get executed on your computer, but still isn't good for your freedom, as you cannot exercise your freedoms with that file if you decide that you want to later.
     
     >can /dev/urandom have proprietary blob
     /dev/urandom just outputs random bytes - if you were to scan the output for years (possibly millions) you would eventually come across a byte sequence that matches a proprietary executable, as well as byte sequences that matches a free executable, but why would you do that?
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     Maija (SPW Arc) (maija@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 01:06:20 JST Maija (SPW Arc)

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     @Suiseiseki is an unused file proprietary malware? can /dev/urandom have proprietary blobs?
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     @pantherastare I don't like the language or how he professes his love for proprietary software, but most of the points made are correct.
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     • :netbsd: Nishi
     @adiz @kirby cc @nishi
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     @dcc@annihilation.social Reading about the BSDs, NetBSD sounds pretty interesting as well. And I see a lot of Japanese users on Fediverse extolling NetBSD. But I don't know much about any of them. Everyone I've personally known who runs BSD runs FreeBSD. @kirby@lab.nyanide.com

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     • Maija (SPW Arc)
     @maija Although even with proprietary software you can carry out the freedom of not running the software, you still don't have three of the four essential freedoms; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#four-freedoms
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     Maija (SPW Arc) (maija@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 01:11:45 JST Maija (SPW Arc)

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     @Suiseiseki how does not executing take away freedom
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     @Suiseiseki omg look out suiseki you have proprietary data eventually! it cant be allowed to reside on your machine!
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     @maija No substantial output of /dev/urandom actually ends up residing on my machine, as it's only used for encryption things that require fairly short sequences of random numbers and even then for that /dev/random is used more commonly.
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     Maija (SPW Arc) (maija@shitposter.world)'s status on Monday, 08-Jul-2024 01:41:07 JST Maija (SPW Arc)

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     @Suiseiseki encryption numbers are proprietary blobs
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     @maija Meds now.
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     @adiz To be honest the only version of Wi-Fi that works properly is 802.11n, which interestingly has both 2.4GHz and 5GHz modes and freedom-respecting cards.
     
     802.11ac is a bit faster, but all the cards don't respect freedom and the range frankly sucks.
     
     Anything newer seems to suck in different ways despite being faster and using mobile signalling methods that improve signal to noise ratios substantially, but are patented up the wazoo and few cards support even 802.11ax.
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     @gray@clubcyberia.co Yeah, I'm Intel. Got burned by AMD a couple times and Intel just seems to work a whole lot better with Linux (at least on laptops with power management and sleep states/hibernation, etc.). Actually never really had any issues with AMD on desktops. Sucks that only 2.4 GHz is supported, though, especially as we're entering WiFi 7 era.

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     @adiz I know FreeBSD supports intel sped shift. I’d assume if you have intel you’re pretty safe.
     
     Still only supports 2.4GHz WiFi though.
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     @adiz I’m holding out for when they finally modernize their wireless drivers. I’ll probably switch over after that or at least give it a try.
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     @gray@clubcyberia.co Yeah, definitely things I always need to consider when it comes to OSs---I exclusively use laptops right now and wireless networking. Which many non-Linux, more niche or esoteric OSs (like Haiku, e.g.) just don't have good or complete support for. Either from wireless networking, power management, keyboard layoutsz et al..

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     @Suiseiseki am i wrong? please publicize the your "private" (read: proprietary) keys
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     @maija Part of freedom is having the freedom to keep your own information to yourself privately and I do enjoy exercising that freedom by not sending you either of my public or private keys.
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     @adiz If it does then your card runs proprietary software you provided and doesn't respect your freedom.
     
     For 802.11ax to work, there clearly needs to also be an AP that has a 802.11ax card in it and there doesn't seem to be that many of them - although pretty much all of them support 802.11n.
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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com I'm pretty sure my computer supports 802.11ax.

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     @adiz @dcc @kirby :osaka_lsd:
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     @dcc@annihilation.social Yo, @nishi@hkgk.nishi.boats has an awesome website. @kirby@lab.nyanide.com