@SuperSnekFriend@doonxib you can certainly see seeds of it back that far. But I'm interested in the idea of "ac exists in so many spaces that zoomers feel like that is the temperature that things SHOULD be"
@doonxib@sickburnbro Climate change propaganda is also not new, going as back as the 1920's. This sounds more like the "Ascetic Right" who just wants you being miserable for control and the sake of misery than anything that will actually fight against Judaic order, liberalism, and the modern world.
@sickburnbro He's out of touch by about eighty years there. AC saturation has been a thing since the 40's. The problem is Jewish propaganda. It's a fabrication spread like cancer through media and academia to de-industrialize White National lands by enemy spies.
@Diogenese_Shiplap@JoshuaSlocum@doonxib I'm gonna be real with you. You could make 14ft ceilings in most of the south and when there isn't a breeze there isn't a breeze and it's just suffering. I have replaced transom windows.
@JoshuaSlocum@doonxib@sickburnbro Old houses were built with ventilation in mind also. High ceilings, double hung windows, etc. A modern house without A/C is just a box with doors.
@doonxib@sickburnbro Not really. My grade school was built, brand new, without air conditioning. Didn't get AC installed until about 4 years later, and this was in the deep South.
Out West, AC in homes didn't break the 50% mark until the 2000s according to the gubmint.
Natural ventilation starting getting it in the shorts in the 60s-70s with the rise of the Shitty Architecture movement that said everything must be grim and concrete, but AC got a helluva lot better in the 80s-90s which made it more practical to install everywhere, and standard building practices started leaving above ceiling space in commercial construction.
@sickburnbro@doonxib The seeds are back that far, but the full results can be seen back in the 70's, with the "neo ice age" talk. Nobody would say that that silly talk was the result of people "overusing" indoor heating, a tech that has been available since the 1800's.
The recent global warming nonsense grew heavy in the early 2000's, when many Zoomers could barely speak or walk. This post is only a pedantic take from someone who thinks being comfortable is helping the regime or something.
@SuperSnekFriend@doonxib I don't think he's saying that, but that more of when the heat is just something you experience like that it isn't an abstraction you can avoid.
It's easy to signal about it when you have a/c everywhere.
@JoshuaSlocum@Diogenese_Shiplap@doonxib it's more complicated than that. America was able to use their prosperity and engineering ability to keep choosing non-traditional solutions which were made possibly by those two options, which for a time, fed back on themselves.
@sickburnbro@Diogenese_Shiplap@doonxib Old antebellum houses in the South are more or less modified dog-trots, i.e. long breezeway between the two living spaces. Thick walls, plenty of openable windows, but also with shutters so you can keep the Sun out. And lots of overhang (porch, etc.) on South-facing side.
You can build to accommodate natural ventilation, but it's expensive. Really, really expensive. With modern technology, a whole-house fan can make a breeze when there isn't one. But if the house isn't built for it, it's no bueno. Electricity is cheap enough we just built shitboxes and stick an AC in it.
In the South, you're supposed to chill out during the hottest part of the day. On Crete, when the Meltimi winds from Africa blow onshore during the summer, they just fuck off in the middle of the day. Everything just closes, and reopens in the late afternoon when it becomes habitable for humans again.
Americans optimized for cheap, and we got it, good and hard.
@JoshuaSlocum@sickburnbro@doonxib "...and grandpa always got up early to run the hose under the porch to wet it down real good before the heat set in..."
@sickburnbro@Diogenese_Shiplap@doonxib >more complicated than that Oh, for sure. America came up in a technological world, and we adapted to it quickly and well. As soon as the automobile showed up, we adopted it like nobody else. Partially because "cars, cool!", but also because the US is damned large and we spread out fast.
The crap we're dealing with now is because we had the technology (and wealth) to kick the can down the road. City is a hellhole filled with Browns? La-di-da, we'll just build a shitbox off the next exit down the highway.
Welp, the bill has come due. Heritage America is atomized in residential zoned suburbs out in the sticks, utterly dependent on cheap energy, living on quarter acre zero lot line lots, and subsidizing the big Globohomo international corporations that are killing our local industry because "I just want to make one trip".
@sickburnbro@JoshuaSlocum@Diogenese_Shiplap@doonxib There's also a cultural difference. "Only mad dogs and English men go out in the midday sun". Heritage Americans believed in "conquering" the natural world. I think there's a balance, but if our dreams of space are real, it will take "conquering" some truly inhospitable environments.
@doonxib@sickburnbro fwiw, the gubmint stats below i certainly agree GW is propaganda i also think there may be something to the idea that multiple things are coinciding that make the propaganda more compelling a lot of the young folks today are like indoor cats
@JoshuaSlocum@sickburnbro At its onset it was already taking up nearly 40 percent of the industrial spaces, which only exponentially crawled to an absolute super majority for the last forty years. Global Warming/Climate Change was a term that didn't exist until roughly eighteen years ago. And, was uttered by Jewish think tanks after prior efforts to spread the belief of a global cooling trend faltered. Regardless, it has always been a premeditated attack on our industrial sectors by enemy combatants.
@doonxib@sickburnbro i do find it fascinating that in 1980 it had only penetrated to 70-odd percent of homes in the South it hot down there, yo tf were you dudes doing
environmentalism has always been a trojan horse it works particularly well on Whites, because we like to take care of things
@JoshuaSlocum@sickburnbro >No Time Window >Out West AC isn't a new thing, and its abundance isn't new, either. Doubtless there's been an increase in people's disconnection from day to day realities given modern convenience, but the idea this had anything to do with the foundation of what is very obviously tracked and sourced propaganda is at best a leap in logic. It came from kikes and is spread by their institutional organs and puppets. Like all of their shit is.
@sickburnbro@JoshuaSlocum@doonxib they were low but went back up after coronahoax, a standard cheap ass 5,000 btu at walmart used to be $99 or less now they're $150 or more