When the EU thing about right to repair and the forbidding planned obsolency hits I'll get the next pixel and slap graphene on that bad boy.
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Trash Panda (raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jun-2024 22:06:08 JST Trash Panda
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jun-2024 22:06:02 JST 翠星石
@raccoon >I try to only get phones that would let me change Roms
"change Read Only Memories" - now that's an incredible oxymoron for my collection.
Most Android mobile use R/W NAND flash that software is installed onto.
@mangeurdenuage >It should have been mandatory for brand to let users do that.
As per the GPLv2, each supplier of Android devices need to provide a written offer (or one of the other options) for the source code and installation information of the kernel, Linux - otherwise such manufacturers have no license to distribute Linux.
Once you can change the version of Linux installed, porting LineageOS or better Replicant is possible. -
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@raccoon It should have been mandatory for brand to let users do that. -
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Trash Panda (raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jun-2024 22:06:04 JST Trash Panda
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It's why I try to only get phones that would let me change Roms, it helps keeping them alive longer -
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@raccoon
Same, having full hardware repair-ability would greatly reduce trash and would also reduce cost, but that's only short term.
For long term there's a need to be able to install OS's on them like you would for any PC and that can't happen properly if the manufacturers continue to be cunts.
having access to embedded firmware's would be a great plus too for correcting bugs and adding functions. -
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Trash Panda (raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest)'s status on Thursday, 27-Jun-2024 22:06:06 JST Trash Panda
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Well, I can only hope for things to improve. -
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@raccoon
Having schematics and no anti competitive forbidding to sell parts from manufacturers to anyone is a plus but for that to be fully in effect you also have to have brands and hardware manufacturers to release full source code of the OS and drivers with no DRM or any locking mechanism that a user can undo himself or by someone else he contracted without the need of the brand/manufacturer/internet or any sort of activation. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 20:43:12 JST 翠星石
@violet >not to let modified software be installed to their devices
That page says that because it's a pain in the ass to get a judge to understand that an executable is a binary actually executes; "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and *****installation of the executable*****."
The SFC has tested the installation information part in court multiple times and has won every time.
Although, it is a much better idea to just just upgrade to the GPLv3-or-later - as that makes it crystal clear as to what's required and fixes many other bugs.
>most of them want to be called OSes (LineageOS, GrapheneOS)... which is also not quite the right term but for entirely different reason
They are Operating Systems, although they suck hard due to how GNU is missing. -
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(violet@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 28-Jun-2024 20:43:20 JST
@Suiseiseki @mangeurdenuage @raccoon unfortunately this isn't accurate, GPLv2 only requires hardware manufacturers to share source code, not to let modified software be installed to their devices. GPLv3 fixes this with the tivoization clause: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#Tivoization
android distributions being called ROMs is funny, yes, althougj these days most of them want to be called OSes (LineageOS, GrapheneOS)... which is also not quite the right term but for entirely different reason
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