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   Charlie Stross (cstross@wandering.shop)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 23:05:06 JST Charlie Stross

   This time round Labour are the Continuity Conservative Party, aren't they.

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 23:05:03 JST pettter

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     • Rachel Greenham

     @StrangeNoises @cstross That's not even Labour's plan. Wes Streeting has been talking openly about how they're only a caretaker government while the Tories get their house back in order.

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     Rachel Greenham (strangenoises@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 23:05:04 JST Rachel Greenham

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     @cstross with some seriousness i'm beginning to think they really are pushing to replace the conservative party as the main party of the centre-right, the idea being to push the tories into the far right fringes forever.

     which may not be a bad outcome tbh, but only if a new centre-left arises. they really need - or we really need them - to have some care of their left flank.

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     pettter (pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 23:06:50 JST pettter

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     • Audun

     @audunmb @cstross That analysis is incomplete without noting what the structural pressures and ideological failures that have led to that point, and the very real, and very powerful forces that have had this as their explicit goal for many many decades.

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     Audun (audunmb@todon.nl)'s status on Friday, 21-Jun-2024 23:06:51 JST Audun

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     @cstross That actually goes for all social democratic parties in Europe at the moment. It's PASOKification 2.0, where the centre-left gains power only by being the "less-totally-fucked-up"-party, and trying to keep the fuckups under the lid (AKA stability) is the limits of their political program.