BeAware :fediverse:
Well...even Fediverse isn't immune to enshittification.
I have a feeling it'll be a LOT less social here once Mastodon implements this...🤦♂️🤬
My plan is to be off this ridiculous software before they implement such stupid things.
I thought this was SOCIAL Media, not "yell into the void" Media.
BeAware :fediverse:
@lonelyowl yeahhh...the neo-nazi's are kinda the deal breaker. If I have to block everyone, the social part kinda doesn't matter🤣
Owl!🦉
I invite you to the free speech segment of fedi 🫡
On one hand we have loads of neo-nazis, on the other hand we will never use such a terrible tweetarded feature
Patrick
@BeAware Isn't this redundant? I mean you can mute/block someone and you don't see anything from them? Other than potentially making a choice for someone else too. Also is it opt-in or opt-out?🤔
BeAware :fediverse:
@ppb1701 it's gonna be opt-in, but yea, redundant as fuck.🤦♂️
marathon
@BeAware It's the douches that came here from Twitter going for this kind of shite in my opinion. The Fedi was far better before they came.
BeAware :fediverse:
@marathon well, it's @Gargron that's pandering to them. So, he's the one to blame and I can't wait to be off this software again.🤦♂️
BeAware :fediverse:
@stefan @ppb1701 🤷♂️it's social media. Mute the conversation.
There's ways that don't hinder people's ability to be social or to contradict misinformation, which will undoubtedly be running rampant here once this gets implemented...😬🤦♂️
Stefan Bohacek
@BeAware @ppb1701 If your post gets popular, you might have to mute/block a lot of people one at a time.
Some of the most popular posts on here have hundreds of replies.
xepher
@BeAware Can't you basically already do this by limiting the post to whichever audience you choose? So they're getting even more granular with it?
BeAware :fediverse:
@xepher @marathon I like Sharkey. It's quite lacking in documentation, but the features are really nice. Also, Akkoma and akkomane seem pretty good but I haven't dabbled in them yet.
xepher
@BeAware @marathon @Gargron Any other specific fediverse platforms you're actively looking at? I've tried a few, but keep coming back to Mastodon as it seems to be the most mature with features that I care about.
BeAware :fediverse:
@xepher yep and yep. Next thing you know, we'll have completely private profiles. Only viewable by yourself and unable to be followed or communicated with. A "private" social media site! For what reason? Who knows! But everyone seems to want it!🤦♂️
BeAware :fediverse:
@jirirbr so is "mute conversation" and "mute *****" and "block ****"
However, with the discourse around "reply guys" here, I highly expect about 60% of posts to be completely blocking replies once this gets added.😬
Jiri R.
@BeAware This is a defense mechanism when you get a lot of spammers responding to your posts.
BeAware :fediverse:
@jirirbr and if you want "in theory" to become "in reality" you just set "followers only" or "mentioned people only"🤷♂️
Jiri R.
@BeAware Maybe. And you can unfollow those who opt to use the feature.
In theory, I can see I would want to have a conversation with people with who we follow each other and avoid spam/spambots. In theory.
But given the population on Mastodon, I don’t expect it’s needed and muting/blocking is quite enough.
BeAware :fediverse:
@jirirbr yeah, you can do those things already. I'm arguing against the new feature which will allow public posts to limit replies...causing misinformation and "yelling at nobody" as we see on twitter and threads.🤦♂️
Jiri R.
@BeAware Which is what you're arguing against, or do I not understand properly? I’m probably missing the point, I guess (as I can see I can set “followers/mentions only” in the post settings already).
BeAware :fediverse:
@jirirbr idk how they will do it, as I'm not a programmer. But they're just gonna make it a setting that only approved people can reply or only people that follow you, however, the post will still be publicly available, unlike the current options which hides the post to anyone that shouldn't reply.
Jiri R.
@BeAware How do they want to limit it beyond the already present settings?
BeAware :fediverse:
@marathon there's not many forks that are widely used AFAIK. There's glitch-soc and Hometown. Other than that, I fail to remember any others that have more than miniscule utilization.
marathon
@BeAware
I'm wondering if the Forks will copy that? Hopefully not all of them. Some of the Forks are better IMHO.
BeAware :fediverse:
@marathon @xepher there's a fork that works with mastodon AND Nostr? Which is that?🤔
marathon
@xepher @BeAware @Gargron
Some folks like Soapbox. There is a fork that federates with NOSTR too.
BeAware :fediverse:
@marathon @xepher that's frontend only, but it works on top of the mastodon API/backend OR the Nostr backend with Ditto. I don't think you can use both at the same time, can you?🤔
marathon
@BeAware @xepher
forgot their github page:
https://github.com/soapbox-pub/soapbox
marathon
BeAware :fediverse:
@marathon @xepher kinda useless it is, then. Sorry to burst the bubble, but this image kinda confirms it. They're separate functions that can't be used together...not sure how both protocols would co-exist on the same server tbh considering they both use Webfinger for username propagation.🤷♂️
The Mastodon API doesn't integrate ActibityPub by itself, that's why there's a line going down to ActivityPub. The API just allows Soapbox/Ditto to work withapps built specifically for Mastodon.
marathon
@BeAware @xepher
To the best of my knowledge, Ditto works with both at the same time. It would be kind of useless if it didn't in my view.
xepher
@BeAware @marathon
>The API just allows Soapbox/Ditto to work withapps built specifically for Mastodon.
Which at this point is not even the case. Ditto can work with the official Mastodon client, but they've confirmed themselves in Nostr posts it's not working with other Mastodon apps. I attempted to use it with Mona for iOS and the nsec bunker login never works. Not sure why that is.
BeAware :fediverse:
@xepher @marathon would you mind testing it on IceCubes?😬
I was hoping to launch Ditto soon but if it's broken, there's no point.
Honestly, thats VERY disappointing considering Alex Gleason's experience with this...🤦♂️
xepher
@BeAware @marathon MK_Fain (who I guess is Alex’s wife?) has already confirmed it does not work with IceCubes either
BeAware :fediverse:
@xepher @marathon well, shit. There goes my plans for now.😩
I was REALLY hoping this would be my reason to continue being on Nostr, given it's SO similar to a fully featured AP instance. But if the feature I want the most is broken, there's no point.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
i disagree
i won't use the feature, but plenty of other people don't want to deal with reply guys
and if someone uses the feature and it pisses you off, block/ mute/ unfollow/ ignore/ whatever
what's the big deal?
i agree it makes a mockery of the word "social" in social media, but if someone wants a soapbox without a response, that's their style, i don't like it, but i don't see a problem with allowing them their style. i think they will suffer for it. but again, their choice
BeAware :fediverse:
@benroyce but the issue comes when the majority turn it on, then there will be no "social" anymore.
Also, a much more worrying issue that comes from this feature is misinformation because nobody will be able to debate it.😬
BeAware :fediverse:
@marathon @xepher IceCubes is an iOS app unfortunately and is my preferred app because I use an iPhone, but I do have a Google pixel tablet.
marathon
@BeAware @xepher
Are you both using Apple products to try it out?
BeAware :fediverse:
@marathon not yet, I can later though, just don't have much use for it tbh. I don't post there anymore and the only reason I planned on, was if I started my own ditto server, but I haven't done that yet and won't if I can't use it on my phone.🤷♂️
marathon
@BeAware Did you try on the Pixel?
BeAware :fediverse:
I hope you're right, but considering there's a few thousand people a day complaining about reply guys, I don't have much hope.
We can only wait and see.
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
@BeAware good point about the misinfo. but then a prime vector for misinfo is zero follower reply guys hitching a ride on big accounts
and moderation is good enough here I don't think it will mean much if some zero follower account starts broadcasting crap without an ability to reply. you can't reply but you can still report
and any account that turns it on will suffer in follower count so it wont be popular. I disagree a majority will do so. Who I see doing it are people who are harassed
BeAware :fediverse:
@benroyce sure, it does have good uses, however, the bad uses like misinfo outweigh them in my opinion.
PS: remember the "opt-in" BridgyFed debacle that was caused by accounts with the most followers, even though "opt-in" doesn't exist in ActivityPub? Yeah, it's not just 0 follower trolls that spread misinformation.😬
Ben Royce 🇺🇦
a question though:
Is this feature per post or per user?
If it's per user that's lame
If it's per post I can see everyone, including you and me, occasionally using it, for example, if we want to post something bad happened in our lives and we don't want to deal with any possible griefers
BeAware :fediverse:
@hackbyte I am considering Sharkey again. I did actually move to Sharkey last month, but had personal drama get in the way of keeping that instance. I never planned on keeping Mastodon when moving back.
I just don't like the appearance of Friendica. It reminds me of those 1990s HTML days.
hackbyte
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