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   Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 17-Jun-2024 21:43:16 JST Hyolobrika
   https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Monday, 17-Jun-2024 21:43:15 JST djsumdog

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     Wow. What a bullshit worthless take. The author should literally just die. ... or maybe if he was forced to hunt his own food, he wouldn't consider that work (I doubt he'd know how to).

     The basics of hunting and growing to build larger villages started over 10,000 years ago. The growth of human civilization allowed people to specialize, growing individual skills and adding value to the whole.

     If we lived in the Star Trek universe of near infinite cheap energy, replicators and zero scarcity, then yes we wouldn't need to work. But we don't live in that world. Idiots like this don't understand that at one time, you worked or you died. The modern world has made people weak. They don't know where their food comes from.

     This article is a pure luxury belief, divorced from reality.

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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Monday, 17-Jun-2024 22:32:51 JST djsumdog

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     I mean, if the world fell apart, I probably would die. I don't grow a lot of food. My bees only make so much honey. I would have to add value to whatever society arises.

     I did read the article and the rest of it is just as vapid as the opening paragraphs. I also took note of the website it was on and that the article is from the 1990s.

     I'm not being "aggressive." I'm not "butthurt." I think the article makes a lot of bad points. I think it's a terrible argument. Why are you taking this personally? Just because you shared it? Disagreements with the article are not an attack against you personally.

     I stand by my original statement: this is a Luxury Belief, a belief that seems rosy for the well off, who do not understand its expense on the working class.

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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Monday, 17-Jun-2024 22:32:53 JST Hyolobrika

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     >The author should literally just die
     Maybe you should literally just die, or be less aggressive, your choice.
     
     I think the author's point was that hunter gatherers worked less and enjoyed their work more. Did you actually read the whole thing or did you just get butthurt over the first few paragraphs?
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 00:48:42 JST djsumdog

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     nah .. should die. He doesn't want to work. Why should you keep on going if you don't want to contribute at all? He tries to re-frame work sure, as so many in this line of thought. But it's really just turns into a childish disconnect. Do what you love? Sure! .. but if it doesn't contribute some value to society, what do you expect to exchange for food or fuel? Why not just lay down an die?
     
     It wasn't directed at you. You're doubling down. I'm guessing it's because your personal identity is tied up in this philosophy somehow? Maybe you hate your job?
     
     I've taken two sabbaticals in my life:
     
     https://battlepenguin.com/tech/leaving-full-time-jobs/
     
     It really cleared the mind (and cost a lot of money), but I eventually came back to my career (since I couldn't make anything else work). It's not even about realizing the value of my work, so much as using work (my value to society) to gain money, to use on the more important things (friends and family).
     
     ...but you gotta work man. At the most primal level, you have to hunt .. and if you're advanced enough, you farm (which is a massive risk btw over hunting). If you don't work, you die. I don't understand why that's so difficult to understand? It's only in an opulent society do people even have the luxury of saying, "Why should I work?" because they have no notion of where their means of survival comes from.
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 00:48:43 JST Hyolobrika

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     You said "The author should literally just die". I.e. that he deserves to or ought to die.
     Did you mean "would" rather than "should"?
     
     Also I hate that idea that you mustn't be offended at something that doesn't happen to you. It was a disgusting thing to say even if you "diDN't mEAn Me PeRsONaLLy".
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 04:26:55 JST Hyolobrika

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     Thanks for doubling down. Now I know what kind of person you are.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 04:26:55 JST djsumdog

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     The kind of person who believes you should either hunt or contribute value to society in order to buy food?
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 04:28:21 JST djsumdog

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     or you could pick fruit too .. that's an option .. but that's work .. so is defending your fruit trees .. you might need a weapons .. bet you could trade some of that fruit for weapons ... all that is work by the way
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     Hyolobrika (hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 04:28:50 JST Hyolobrika

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     The kind of person who wants people who have never harmed another to die.
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 04:28:50 JST djsumdog

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     It's a conditional. If he's unwilling to do what's needed to feed himself, why should anyone else care if he lives?
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Jun-2024 04:30:04 JST djsumdog

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     You strike me as the kind of person who wants free stuff and expects other people to work, but not you.