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    Tero Keski-Valkama (tero@rukii.net)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 19:06:37 JST Tero Keski-Valkama Tero Keski-Valkama

    Hire to fire is something large corporations have been doing for years. It comes down to objectives set to hiring managers to lay off a certain percentage of their team members every year. This is a highly misguided attempt at social darwinism, and it is one reason for the skyrocketing salaries in fields where this is done under conditions of competitive recruitment.

    In conditions of competitive recruitment where there corporations need to compete on their choice candidates, most hiring transactions raise the salary level. This person will take a mortgage, and because of policies, will be laid off next year. Now they are back in the market with a heavy mortgage and a newly established market salary valuation.

    In aggregate, employee churn makes the salaries rise. If large US companies were more rational with their attempts to supress wages, instead of illegal salary cartels and anti-poaching agreements they would do what Japan does and hire for life, almost never lay off people.

    Employee churn increases the market salaries and in the small pools of specialists the effects are large. At the next step it goes to housing prices, because market abhors discretionary income, and creates homelessness and suboptimal housing conditions, and societies becoming more inequal.

    These misguided attempts at social darwinism keep being reinvented by people all the time without them fully understanding the full repercussions. Large corporations have huge impacts in markets and economies and should probably actually have chiefs of economics to veto ill-conceived policies.

    In conversation about a year ago from rukii.net permalink

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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 19:06:36 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @tero there are a few companies that have tinkered with lifetime employment over here. simon sineck's books talk about some.

      doing anything intelligent runs extremely counter grain to the ivy leaguers.
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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 19:11:35 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @tero very successfully, but it required foundational decisions from the top.

      the CEOs basically declared nobody could be fired unless they were just being complete crapsticks. in one case it required unwriting job descriptions (database admins had to sweep floors sometimes) since during the USA's eternal depressions they had to shut off their contractors to stay afloat. another one ended up putting everyone on mandatory unpaid leave for a month (including the CEO who announced it.)

      it works but it requires a lot of sideways problem solving and being extremely judicious about onboarding.

      japan has its own ways of shitcanning people while pretending it doesn't fire people, though.
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      Tero Keski-Valkama (tero@rukii.net)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 19:11:36 JST Tero Keski-Valkama Tero Keski-Valkama
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      @icedquinn, I'm curious to know how those experiments worked out?

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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 19:21:14 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @tero most of its the result of "not my problem" combined with the permanent siege mentality of successful corporate workers. people are just trying to get theirs before their market exit.

      its a generally poor state of affairs. line go uppers are beyond useless creatures.
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      Tero Keski-Valkama (tero@rukii.net)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 19:21:15 JST Tero Keski-Valkama Tero Keski-Valkama
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      @icedquinn, sounds reasonable. I'm not trying to say Japan is a utopia for either workers or companies, just using them as a datapoint for the larger economic effects on employee churn.

      And in general rising wages is good, but it should be across the board and not like this. I'm personally on the benefiting side of this game, but it doesn't seem rational at any level and doesn't seem to lead to increased wellbeing for all.

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      iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 19:32:47 JST iced depresso iced depresso
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      @tero dodge v. ford, the courts affirmed that the sole duty of the CEO is to make line go up, not to care about employees or customers
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      Tero Keski-Valkama (tero@rukii.net)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 19:32:48 JST Tero Keski-Valkama Tero Keski-Valkama
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      @icedquinn, there's also ideological/political opposition of anything which seems to benefit the employees, with an assumption that it makes it against the interests of the corporation by default.

      Life-long employment policies will also reduce the workload of the HR managers, and in the perfect world it would let them focus on making systems and forecasts better, but in this world it would subject them to a layoff risk.

      In conversation about a year ago permalink

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