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   Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Saturday, 15-Jun-2024 21:39:29 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

   I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. 2014 Russia invaded and occupied Crimea and some folks told us to let them have it so there will be peace. A few years later they invade again and now these same folks (and even more, because now it suddenly IS a war) say the same thing. “Let Russia have it so we can have peace”. Russia wants all of Ukraine and then even more. Why do so many people not understand this?

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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Saturday, 15-Jun-2024 21:39:27 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     russia and usnato both want ukraine. I'm curious, what makes one's wants legitimate and reasonable, but not the other's?
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     Alexandre Oliva (lxo@gnusocial.net)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 09:54:06 JST Alexandre Oliva

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     • PuddleOfKittens
     that may be the case now, but history shows usnato has long been pulling ukraine away from russia and into nato, and there have been fake treaties, pressure and finally a provoked proxy war that forces their hand
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     PuddleOfKittens (puddleofkittens@fosstodon.org)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jun-2024 09:54:07 JST PuddleOfKittens

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     • Alexandre Oliva

     @lxo @jwildeboer Saying "NATO wants Ukraine" is ass-backwards. Ukraine wants NATO. Ukraine's fate should be decided by *Ukraine*. What NATO and Russia want is irrelevant, Ukraine is a sovereign country.