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   Patricia Aas (patricia@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 20:01:55 JST Patricia Aas

   Me to my course attendees: As you can see iPhone/Android persistence vulnerabilities are the most expensive, so if you reboot your phone regularly you’ll probably be fine. They probably won’t waste that on you.

   NSA: reboot your phone once a week.

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     Bø!rge (forteller@tutoteket.no)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Jun-2024 20:01:54 JST Bø!rge

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     @Patricia Really? Never heard of rebooting just at random points, not connected to updates, being important before. Could you say a bit more about why that is?

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     Patricia Aas (patricia@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jun-2024 00:19:22 JST Patricia Aas

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     @forteller tech people often forget about intimate partner abuse. But protecting against someone who is regularly in physical proximity to your devices is a whole other thing. Often requiring many layers of protection, because it might not be safe to refuse them access. Another reason why the Microsoft Recall thing is an absolute dumpster fire. And a reason to not have a windows machine if they do release it. “Opt-in” isn’t opt-in if you are not safe to refuse.

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     Patricia Aas (patricia@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jun-2024 00:19:24 JST Patricia Aas

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     @forteller like others have said, to survive a reboot you need some way to come back up. That kind of mechanism is called “persistence” - these kinds of vulnerabilities have become progressively harder to find in phone OSs, so the price for a good one (with an exploit) can be in the millions of dollars range. But if they are found they could potentially be fixed by the vendor. So they are used carefully. Otherwise it’s money out the window. So unless you are a high value target they probably won’t risk using it for you. And without persistence, reboot will clear it. Of course you have all sorts of spyware you (or someone with access to your phone) might’ve installed on purpose, but that’s another matter.

     Peter Krefting and Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) repeated this.