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The authority of science has never been rightful and this was always to be expected. It's not the first time this happens, it won't be the last, and only idiots place respect and trust in it as a whole - especially in the current year.
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@Paleface Science's authority was mostly won through achievements - better harvests, cheaper more effective machines, electronics.
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The big difficulty is in understanding something though, not in merely putting pieces together. Every civilization has had engineers, only the West had scientists.
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@sickburnbro @Paleface All of those achievements are in engineering. A lot of scientific understanding was required to enable it, but the vast, retarded masses of semi-humans don't get that "science" has zero meaning in their lives, while applied knowledge does.
It's a shame. If they could grasp that their big potatoes, safer cars and brighter TVs were actually the work of far more serious people than "scientists", they'd be less apt to follow, endlessly toward oblivion, the pronouncements of druids.
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@SKracket @ACL9000 @Paleface a scientists and an engineer are really the same thing. The advancement the west made was separating the experimental phase from the implementation phase
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@sickburnbro @SKracket @ACL9000 @Paleface The university vs trade guilds seperation is old. Most scientists are not cut out to be engineers.
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@alchemy @SKracket @ACL9000 @Paleface and most engineers not cut out to be scientists either; but that doesn't mean they aren't really the same thing.
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@alchemy @SKracket @ACL9000 @Paleface What I am telling you is that I can take any good scientists and have them produce good engineering results and with a good engineer produce good scientific results.
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@Vulpes_Quartus @ACL9000 @Paleface @SKracket @alchemy yes, you must have an environment for them which is superior than what they have there.
Do not fret, we can make it.
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@sickburnbro @alchemy @SKracket @Paleface That's probably true.
Still, "science" as this concept people treat almost like a person who is to be "trusted" is stupid in any case. We have bad scientists now, so they do bad science.
A problem we have in the present day is a dearth of anyone who could qualify as "one of the good ones" among any class of person.
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We have 150+ IQ dudes driving for fedex and delivering pizzas listening to audiobooks all day. We have lumpenprole yas qweens in STEM positions because they reinvented a novelty from a century ago, to much praise.
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@Obfuskation @ACL9000 @alchemy @SKracket @Paleface remember, this is just classic "make a skin-suit out of the institutions" - these people don't believe in science or even "science" - they believe in what gets them power.
As soon as the credibility of science is destroyed, it will be useless to them - so plan on taking it from them once they discard it.
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@ACL9000 @sickburnbro @alchemy @SKracket @Paleface "science" is a new religion, and "the experts" are the new priesthood. It's a fruity cult for people who can't or won't think for themselves.
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@sickburnbro @SKracket @ACL9000 @Paleface Im a bit skeptical of that claim. A great scientist will make a good engineer. the genius level scientist will make his own equipment but the good level ones really can't do engineering.
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@alchemy @SKracket @ACL9000 @Paleface I've worked with non-genius level scientists that make their own equipment. In my experience the biggest difference between the disciplines is motivation.
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@sickburnbro @SKracket @ACL9000 @Paleface yeah learning to blow glass vs invent the microscope are different levels of engineering. Genius scientists will create new types of instruments they need in their research
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@alchemy @SKracket @ACL9000 @Paleface yes, genius scientists will invent entire new branches of science to solve problems.
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@alchemy @SKracket @ACL9000 @Paleface but again, making custom equipment where they have to learn to blow glass to make it is not out of the realm of "good scientist"
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