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   Paolo Amoroso (amoroso@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:47 JST Paolo Amoroso

   This is the year of the Lisp Machine desktop.

   Here's an online Medley Interlisp session on my Chromebox. Your turn: show off your Lisp Machine environment.

   #interlisp #lisp #LispMachine

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:40 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @sgharms @amoroso @amin

     Definitely helps!

     I still find myself wishing it could have something like (<{[ ]}>) though, even if it were just an editor trick, and it was actually still just "parentheses all the way down." 😜

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     clacke (clacke@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:40 JST clacke

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @RL_Dane Most Lisps allow you to use () and [] interchangeably, which may sometimes help you improve readability.

     @sgharms @amin @amoroso

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:41 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @sgharms @amoroso @amin

     Can you throw any interesting examples/screenshots my way?

     I'm scarcely a professional or even a *good* coder, but I do love considering the aesthetics of code (although I freely admit that aesthetics should never be the primary consideration of the merit of a language).

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     Steven G. Harms (sgharms@techhub.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:41 JST Steven G. Harms

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     @RL_Dane @amoroso @amin

     So I'm currently learning. Here's my setup. The top window is my running execution context. In Lisp we don't have to recompile between edits. We can write a function in the file buffer (bottom half) and do a key combo to (re-)evaluate the definition and clobber the old one. So, for me, programming is building small functions, evaluating them into the upper half, using them in higher-order functions, rinse/wash/repeat.

     This code is taken from Land of Lisp, a book i'm working through that is far from perfect, but better than many (as a C person you know that vibe).

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:42 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @sgharms @amoroso @amin

     I looked at an example or two on wikipedia, but the problem I had was that it was hard to follow when there's only one grouping symbol "(" vs two in C "(" and "{".

     I'm guessing that's something that either syntax highlighting helps with, or you just learn to read.

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     Steven G. Harms (sgharms@techhub.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:42 JST Steven G. Harms

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     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @RL_Dane @amoroso @amin yea. Rainbow paired parens, indentation, and simple functions.

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:43 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @sgharms @amoroso

     I must confess that all I know of Lisp is that one "here are your father's parentheses" #xkcd. XD

     cc: @amin

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     Steven G. Harms (sgharms@techhub.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:43 JST Steven G. Harms

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     @RL_Dane @amoroso @amin I’m working through a book about it now. Very interesting language. I still dream that someone could write a truly great intro book to the material—- but I haven’t found or written it yet. If you can figure out Debian alternatives, I’m sure Lisp will be conquerable.

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     Steven G. Harms (sgharms@techhub.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:44 JST Steven G. Harms

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     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @amoroso @RL_Dane confirmed. (Also need a lispy one)

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:44 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @sgharms @amoroso

     Easy:

     (((((Steven G. Harms))))

     😜😎 :blobcatfingerguns:

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     Steven G. Harms (sgharms@techhub.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:44 JST Steven G. Harms

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     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @RL_Dane @amoroso perfect. No notes.

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     Steven G. Harms (sgharms@techhub.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:45 JST Steven G. Harms

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     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @RL_Dane @amoroso speaking of internet rabbit holes….

     The interlisp desktop reminded me of mono IIGS so I went digging for pictures of it. I was some dozen tabs deep when this notification came in.

     How do I get a pro-Debian glyph?!

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     Paolo Amoroso (amoroso@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:45 JST Paolo Amoroso

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @sgharms This glyph? :debian:

     @RL_Dane

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     Steven G. Harms (sgharms@techhub.social)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:46 JST Steven G. Harms

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     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

     @RL_Dane @amoroso reminds me of the mono apple IIGS desktop.

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:46 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @sgharms @amoroso

     Didn't even know the IIgs had a mono mode 🙃

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 03-Jun-2024 16:24:47 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     @amoroso

     I wouldn't know Lisp from a speech impediment, but I am SO here for those sweet #Monochrome GUIs 😁

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 19:44:26 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @amoroso @sgharms @amin

     Y'all are gonna make me learn lisp now 😆💗

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     Paolo Amoroso (amoroso@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 19:44:27 JST Paolo Amoroso

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @sgharms Have you tried Practical Common Lisp by Peter Seibel?

     https://gigamonkeys.com/book

     Most current or past Lisp books focus on the language and few discuss the interactive development style.

     @RL_Dane @amin

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     Paolo Amoroso (amoroso@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 19:44:34 JST Paolo Amoroso

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     • R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:
     • Steven G. Harms

     @RL_Dane Read, Eval, Print, Learn.

     @sgharms @amin

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 19:44:49 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • The ol' tealeg 🐡
     • Steven G. Harms

     @tealeg @amoroso @sgharms @amin

     Man, the #Fediverse is full of so much of the very best kind of peer pressure, y'all. XD

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 19:44:50 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @amoroso @sgharms @amin

     Whoa. Sounds a bit like #Forth.

     Also, a bit like fun bash hacky one-liners that slowly grow into feature-complete scripts. Because THAT has totally happened to me more times than I can count.

     ...

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     The ol' tealeg 🐡 (tealeg@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 19:44:50 JST The ol' tealeg 🐡

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @RL_Dane @amoroso @sgharms @amin
     Yes, #lisp is a ton of fun to program in. Once you've done it, you'll never quite be able to give up on it.

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     Paolo Amoroso (amoroso@fosstodon.org)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Jun-2024 19:44:51 JST Paolo Amoroso

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     • Steven G. Harms

     @sgharms That's basically it. In Lisp you interactively grow a program instead of writing it.

     @RL_Dane @amin