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   goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Friday, 24-May-2024 17:41:46 JST goatsarah

   So my real fear if the Tories die (and to be clear, they absolutely need to) is that the uk media will fucking gleefully embrace Farageist fascism as the defacto legitimate heir.

   After 97 it was clear that their drifting rightward had been rejected. Now it very much is not. The instincts of the post 97 Tories was to try and persuade the electorate that they had learned to stop being abject cunts.

   The reaction of the British right this time is going to be to dial up the cuntery, and the media will entirely uncritically embrace it, because they think it makes good telly.

   Unless the sentiment on the ground shifts back to a rehabilitation of social democracy in the next decade, this means that the UK basically gets a 10 year reprieve, and then when the grey Starmer regime runs out of steam after being fucking useless for a decade, you get full-on V for Vendetta.

   We are already seeing the start of this in the US: a proto fascism regime was defeated 4 years ago by an opposition made up of people who clearly wanted to be civil servants rubber stamping stuff, and not actual politicians.

   And now the US stands at the cusp of finding out that Trump Series 1 was just the dress rehearsal.

   UK: this is your future.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Friday, 24-May-2024 18:19:57 JST goatsarah

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     • Simon Waldman

     @swaldman My fear with Labour is that they don’t want to. We see both with them and the US Democrats that they simply accept the clear and obvious deliberate sabotage to democracy and civil society that the other side do as legitimate and do nothing to undo it when they have the opportunity.

     I hope I am wrong.

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     Simon Waldman (swaldman@mendeddrum.org)'s status on Friday, 24-May-2024 18:19:58 JST Simon Waldman

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     @goatsarah this was my fear during much of May's rule : that if the tory Party shattered, one of the shards would be Norsefire. You're right, I think, that this is another route to the same.

     Actually, the key to Labour getting much done may turn out to be whether they can wrench the Overton window back a bit. This is just another reason why that's important...

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Friday, 24-May-2024 21:24:34 JST goatsarah

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     • BashStKid

     @BashStKid yeah. That’s what I think too.

     And eventually, not in five years, maybe not in ten, but eventually they become the government.

     I’m feeling like this is another Cassandra moment.

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     BashStKid (bashstkid@mastodon.online)'s status on Friday, 24-May-2024 21:24:35 JST BashStKid

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     @goatsarah Specific to the UK, I expect Reform to take over the remnant Tory shell as there will be nobody to oppose them except the rw loons who will welcome them. Reform get their hands on the Tory electoral machine, agents, membership and fundraising lists for pennies. And once that becomes private company data, not very reversible.

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     goatsarah (goatsarah@thegoatery.dyndns.org)'s status on Saturday, 25-May-2024 06:11:58 JST goatsarah

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     • Mike
     @MikeFromLFE I suppose one has.
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     Mike (mikefromlfe@cupoftea.social)'s status on Saturday, 25-May-2024 06:11:59 JST Mike

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     @goatsarah
     I'm a bit more hopeful (only a bit).
     With the Labour Party hogging the centre ground, and the Tories all but being wiped out, I'm looking for the press to have a longterm love-in with centrist Labour, leaving Tice & Farage to blather away to a very small audience.
     This scenario leaves room for more exposure for the Greens on the left of Labour. Their time must surely come!
     Gotta hope haven't you?