Watching a weird discussion I don't really want to butt in on, but it's conflicting for me because on one hand, I *DO* have a Marxist approach to studying history which I consider the only VALID approach to doing so, because I *AM* pretty sure the money, and the power to dehumanize SOME people for the purposes of extracting money/power from their suffering/labor IS the driving force behind the world you know today and how it was shaped that way on purpose by folks WITH money/power. (ct)
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AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Thursday, 23-May-2024 05:39:26 JST AnarchoNinaWrites - AnthonyJK-Admin repeated this.
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AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Thursday, 23-May-2024 05:39:36 JST AnarchoNinaWrites On the other hand however, I also know at least a half dozen tankies who use "historical/dialectic materialism" to mean "I made this up, I'm full of shit, but I'm relying on you having never read Marx/Lenin/Trotsky to silence your criticism of this nonsense I just made up and is typically not about material conditions at all."
Torn. Think Imma sit that one out.
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AnthonyJK-Admin (anthonyjk@mastodon.redgarterclub.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-May-2024 05:46:49 JST AnthonyJK-Admin All I will say about that:
Left "Menshevikism" is basically a Pier 6 Brawl between factions who are more obsessed with sniffing their own farts and using detailed quotes from their own Leftist Bibles to justify their own alleged superiority with big words, than actually organizing and empowering said "working class" to fight and defeat Nazis and fascists.
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AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Thursday, 23-May-2024 05:55:28 JST AnarchoNinaWrites @AnthonyJK I mean that's fine, I don't disagree with you at all, my only thing is that at this stage of my life, I've noticed that attitude is equally prevalent amongst (typically white) vanguardists and mass movement organizer(ists). It's obviously not everyone, but hot damn do a lot of us like to argue about who has the best vision for a labor class that is never consulted.
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AnarchoNinaWrites (anarchoninawrites@jorts.horse)'s status on Thursday, 23-May-2024 05:57:31 JST AnarchoNinaWrites @GNUmatic I mean I'm not a tankie, and I don't have a lotta use for them; but they're probably my 10,000th most serious problem in life so I generally don't care what they do and say to a point
That having been said, I think the people you're talking about are what we on the left call "campists" - ie; folks who believe anyone opposed to US imperialism, even other imperialists, are right and good actually. And those folks are A) morons and B) an active vector for fascist infiltration of our orgs
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Dirk Ritter (gnumatic@deppenkessel.de)'s status on Thursday, 23-May-2024 05:57:33 JST Dirk Ritter There are certain limits with tankies, though. Like "Aggressively close to ruZZian border positioned Ukraine needs to surrender 'cause it's EU NATO capitalist and - anyway - our poor working class urgently needs cheap ruZZian gas to heat their homes and drive to their sweat shops in their gas-guzzling cars." 🤡
That also makes me suspicious. It might be the marxists who never read anything other than some fun marxist memes which they never fully understood. 😇
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AnthonyJK-Admin (anthonyjk@mastodon.redgarterclub.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-May-2024 06:07:58 JST AnthonyJK-Admin These fools are probably the same idgits who would attempt to "teach" us that FascistBarbieMTG is really a down low "comrade", her full-on John Birch/KKK addled brain notwithstanding, because she made some noises and a couple of votes against funding Zelinsky and the Avovs in Ukraine. "Enemy of my enemy, you know.