Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿
Given the plethora of at-least-as-good #libre messaging platforms (see Matrix, Rocket.Chat, Zulip, Mattermost, NextCloud Talk, etc.) that aren't
* exploiting your data,
* pestering you to pay more,
* reducing 'free tier' features (to get you to pay $),
* blocking integrations you want,
* failing to live up to their security promises, or
* simply being painful to use.
Why does *anyone* bother with MS Teams, Salesforce Slack, or Discord? Just doesn't make any sense to me.
Downes 🍁
@lightweight In the case of my employer, teams is integrated with other Office software already in use and, more importantly, employs the same authentication and access management. So they can secure Teams in a way they can't secure the other platforms.
Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿
@Downes hmm. The big problem, of course, is that they've put all their eggs in the 100% Microsoft basket. That's a fragile monoculture, and due to it being Microsoft, a poorly implemented one. I consider any "Microsoft shops" to be examples of woefully negligent governance. (you've probably seen it, but I explain why here: https://davelane.nz/mshostage) Many "Microsoft shops" have already rued that decision, but the herd continues to move in the same direction. One day, only the outliers will be left.
Dave Lane :flag_tino: 🇳🇿
@ColetteDiskette don't worry - I get it (I still, very grudgingly, use Facebook, but I disinfect my computer afterwards)... The questions is: how can people coordinate to move en mass. That's what the world needs. How funny would it be if Facebook and MSFT went out of business overnight due to a mass coordinated migration? That'd be frickin' delightful.
ColetteDiskette 💾🏳️⚧️
@lightweight I'm stuck with Discord simply because of who's on it. I want to use Matrix instead, but convincing retro streamers (some are friends) to move is impossible. I already cut them off when I left Twitter, and leaving Discord means cutting them off almost entirely.
It's the same reason people don't leave YouTube or Twitter. I don't like it, but I do understand why people don't just leave. They're leaving *people* behind when they do it. It's not like switching browsers.
Juan Luis
@lightweight Just to help you make sense of this: no, NextCloud Talk and Matrix are not "at least as good" as Salesforce Slack, and Zulip UI is more or less frozen from the time it was created. They are, in fact, quite clunky. I haven't used the others.
Also, corporations don't want to self-host their chats, and some of these product don't really have a solid managed offering.
So, in summary, the first step is to avoid comparing things that cannot really be compared.
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