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@KonataWagner @doctorsex @Liquid_Boss @alchemy @sickburnbro yeah I don't believe that considering the Romans were the actual authorities with an army. I always interpreted it as Pilate being a liar and reflective of how the Roman state and civil service actually worked - always blaming someone else, "not my problem", etc
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This isn't some novelty reading either, this is pretty much how most of the church understood that story pretty much up until the scofield bible started gaining momentum
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If the main takeaway is supposed to be, "Pilate is a liar" and "governments can't be trusted" why is there so much emphasis on the back and forth of "free barabas! Kill him and let his blood be on our heads and our childrens heads!" Juxtaposed against "ok, fuckin, whatever, this is on you guys, I wash my hands of this"
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@Liquid_Boss @doctorsex @KonataWagner @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy the last is the question I keep asking
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@doctorsex @KonataWagner @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy @sickburnbro Does a whore sin when she does her job? Does a Muslim executioner sin when he persecutes Christians? Does a HR department sin when they fire because someone refuses the vax?
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What exactly is Pilate's sin though? Doing his job?
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Ok, so you're prpjecting your personal grievances with beuracracy onto scripture? That's a weird flex
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@doctorsex @SAKURARadiochan @KonataWagner @alchemy @sickburnbro For all involved, I feel like this is just talking in circles.
The simple way is to ask this:
Did the Jews (the unbelieving crowd) sin?
Did Pilate sin?
If you answer yes to both, you're fine.
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The difference between Peter and Pilate is that Peter denied Christ, three times. He lied. Pilate was *doing his job*. As "someone who has read the Bible" I assume you're familiar with what it tells us about vocation and calling, correct?
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@doctorsex @KonataWagner @Liquid_Boss @alchemy @sickburnbro "ma'am not my problem" is the summary of my interactions with the civil service yes
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@doctorsex @KonataWagner @Liquid_Boss @alchemy @sickburnbro to point out that all people are craven and blame others for their faults
like how peter denied jesus 3 times
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@Bunsen @Liquid_Boss @doctorsex @KonataWagner @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy what do you think their sin is
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@sickburnbro @Liquid_Boss @doctorsex @KonataWagner @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy I say yes to the last one.
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You're essentially saying here, "being a roman governor is on the same level of ontological sinfulness as being a prostitute" and I want you to either justify that assertion or explain what I'm not understanding about it
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Categorically, some jobs are sinful. God would not call someone to prostitution. What about Pilate's job made it necessarily sinful?
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Pilate was deep in enemy territory. I don’t think he had a choice.
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@doctorsex @KonataWagner @Liquid_Boss @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy @sickburnbro I've always reasoned that the greatest accomplishment of Roman Law was that it found Jesus Christ innocent on the evidence; it's greatest failure was to sentence Him to death regardless.
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@s2208 @MartinTheTerrible @KonataWagner @doctorsex @Liquid_Boss @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy if the jews rioted because he let jesus off, one wonders - would they have killed him?
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I see. It's hard to get to that understanding when you chose a profession that cannot be done without sin or 2 other highly qualified examples that are kinda tangential to the original question
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@doctorsex @KonataWagner @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy @sickburnbro I amended my previous post to clarify, but I'll post it here, too.
"I was getting at the idea of "it's my job" is not a valid approval to do what is sinful." That's all. Sorry for the confusion. I see how things got mixed up.
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@doctorsex @KonataWagner @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy @sickburnbro I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. It's not that the job was sinful, but rather how he conducted it in this instance. I was getting at the idea of "it's my job" is not a valid approval to do what is sinful.
I can see how the questions I posed could give the wrong impression.
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I see what you mean. I think the difference is, the difference between sins. Can someone be forgiven for cowardice? I think with Peter, we see that they can. With a crowd of people chanting out that they want to see God killed, what do we call that? It reads like a rejection of God from a hardened heart. It's generally understood that God does not forgive apostasy- unrepentant rejection of him and his word.
That isn't to say I think Pilate converted and repented or whatever behind the scenes and it just so happens no-one bothered to record that, I literally have no reason to believe that- but it's a question of scale. The sin of the pharisees was to reject the Messiah- emphatically and without remorse- and Pilate's sin in this instance was not doing enough to stop them. It's hard to not look at that and acknowledge that yes, everyone did sin here, but it's pretty clear that one of those was far, far worse than the other.
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@doctorsex @Liquid_Boss @KonataWagner @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy this is what I was referencing at poa.st/objects/c893534e-18ef-43ce-b281-74bcd3d711af
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@sickburnbro @s2208 @MartinTheTerrible @KonataWagner @doctorsex @Liquid_Boss @SAKURARadiochan @alchemy Considering their actions post-Christ, up to and including the Bar Kokhba Rebellion, yes
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