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   Working Class History (workingclasshistory@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 14-May-2024 08:52:39 JST Working Class History

   Thread: #OtD 13 May 1985 Philadelphia police attacked the home of Black liberation and environmental group MOVE, then dropped a bomb on it, killing 5 adults and 6 children, destroying 61 homes in the predominantly Black neighbourhood, and making 250 people homeless. https://t.co/oK3OfSUSWP

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     Queen Chinee (rebeccaboyce@toad.social)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 06:45:12 JST Queen Chinee

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     @workingclasshistory I didn't live that far from there. It was surreal.

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     OddOpinions5 (failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 06:45:13 JST OddOpinions5

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     This is a very misleading toot and requires a correction

     The neighbors had been begging the city, for months, to do something about MOVE, which 24/7 played very loud music or stuff from rooftop speakers

     again, the AfAm neighbors were begging the city to do something about MOVE

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     fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 06:45:13 JST fu

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     @failedLyndonLaRouchite @workingclasshistory i'm sure they didn't ask to be bombed.

     Clearly this is what happens when you ask the government to fix things rather than working with your neighbors directly.

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     MegatronicThronBanks (megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 06:45:14 JST MegatronicThronBanks

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     @workingclasshistory I remember the first time I read about this and checking over and over that it wasn't fiction.
     They dropped a bomb from a helicopter, on an urban location.
     It still makes me stare at the wall.

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     Mike Keleher (hexfoliation@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 06:45:19 JST Mike Keleher

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     @workingclasshistory I remember when this happened. Watched it live on the news.

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     Dan Morris (coldfish@sfba.social)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 06:45:23 JST Dan Morris

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     for those who don't want to go to xitter:

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing

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     Linux Walt (@lnxw37j1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864} (lnxw37j1@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 08:43:52 JST Linux Walt (@lnxw37j1) {3EB165E0-5BB1-45D2-9E7D-93B31821F864}

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     @fu In majority-Black neighborhoods, if most people have complained to the police, it means they've tried every person-to-person method to resolve things and the other person / group is just set on doing whatever they aren't forced to stop doing.
     
     Likewise in majority-Hispanic neighborhoods. Even when I was in school (in such a mostly Hispanic neighborhood), police could be a little *indelicate* when dealing with people of non-Euro ancestry.
     
     I knew a guy who was high on pot and drove his parents' car into a parked car. The local police talked to him, talked to the occupants of the other vehice, and talked to the other witness (me), then handcuffed him, took out their sticks and started beating him.
     
     A woman (Euro ancestry) loudly asked why they were beating someone who was handcuffed and not resisting. At that point, they put their hands on their guns and ordered everyone who wasn't a witness to go home. But they did stop beating Charlie ... at least in front of us.
     
     So, yeah. If the neighbors collectively had been asking for police intervention, it meant that MOVE was set that no one would tell them what to do.
     
     And this is another reason why all-voluntary doesn't work in real life. As soon as someone decides they're not cooperating unless there's a credible threat of overwhelming force, their neighbors have a problem.
     
     Having said all this, dropping a bomb on the building was so far outside of acceptable standards that the involved decision-makers should have gone to prison.
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     OddOpinions5 (failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 09:33:08 JST OddOpinions5

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     the neighbors, afaik, pleaded with move for a long time and turned to the city in desparation

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     fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Friday, 17-May-2024 09:33:08 JST fu

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     @failedLyndonLaRouchite @workingclasshistory the bull horn had already been broken for 3 days prior to the bombing.