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   mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 13-May-2024 02:47:06 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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   • John Socks
   • Martin Vermeer FCD
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   @John @Laplantgenetics @martinvermeer @CelloMomOnCars

   Chevy Bolt sold in EU for $55K.

   BYD Dolphin is selling in EU for $30K.

   I'm genuinely not sure what point you're trying to make?

   My point is that the BYD car has comparable features, at a *much* lower price, in the market segment where customers are the most sensitive to price. And BYD is not cheaper because they cut safety corners. And BYD cars can pass Western safety standards, without needing to be fully Western priced.

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     John Socks (john@socks.masto.host)'s status on Monday, 13-May-2024 02:47:07 JST John Socks

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     • Martin Vermeer FCD
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     @mekkaokereke @Laplantgenetics @martinvermeer @CelloMomOnCars Every importing country has climbed that curve though. Japan Korea etc. Not immediately, but within 10 years generally(*)

     That the Dolphin can get 79% with Euro NCAP is impressive. It does look like a Bolt equivalent, which moves us then to differences in cost structure.

     * - with the Polestars and electric Volvos already secretly here. Funny that.

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     mekka okereke :verified: (mekkaokereke@hachyderm.io)'s status on Monday, 13-May-2024 02:47:08 JST mekka okereke :verified:

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     • John Socks
     • Martin Vermeer FCD
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     @John @Laplantgenetics @martinvermeer @CelloMomOnCars

     There's no data that you can show many US folks to convince them the Chinese cars are safe. They start from a prejudiced position that Chinese cars are lower safety standard, and US cars are high safety standard.

     There's no data that you can show them about how safe top selling BYD cars are that they will believe. They stay at the assumption that low cost BYD cars must have cut safety corners and be like 2 stars.

     https://www.byd.com/us/news-list/BYD-SEAL-and-BYD-DOLPHIN-awarded-5-stars-in-Euro-NCAP-Safety-Tests.html

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     John Socks (john@socks.masto.host)'s status on Monday, 13-May-2024 02:47:09 JST John Socks

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     @Laplantgenetics @martinvermeer @CelloMomOnCars @mekkaokereke I'm really afraid the Chevy Bolt approximates what can be done with current technology, American safety requirements*, and cost structures.

     I hope the '25 Bolt is good, because it's going to be what we have.

     * - both legal and social. Legal requirements add weight, but Americans don't buy cars with two safety Stars either

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     LA Plant Genetics (laplantgenetics@spore.social)'s status on Monday, 13-May-2024 02:47:16 JST LA Plant Genetics

     • Martin Vermeer FCD
     • CelloMom On Cars

     @martinvermeer @CelloMomOnCars @mekkaokereke
     Gasoline is not dirt cheap. When it was 80-90 cents per gallon you could easily buy cars that got 40-50 mpg & trucks that got 20+ mpg. Now that it is $5-$6 per gallon, you are lucky to find something that gets 20+ mpg.

     If you want an EV, it is impossible to find small ones (where are the EV subcompacts & mini trucks?). I see more golf carts than small cars these days.